Red Mosquito

cutuphalfdead wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad my bitching post about the electoral college didn't go any further. I'm too lazy to talk about it anyway.

Is anyone actually pro-electoral college?

Honestly, it really doesn't matter. There's only been a discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral vote, what, twice?

It probably affects who gets nominated to some degree, though.

Not disagreeing, but can you expand on this? I haven't really thought about it in terms of the nomination process.

Maybe it favors going for moderate candidates since you need to win swing states whereas if it were popular vote get an ideological candidate and have her GOTV in her party's strongholds in places like Texas, NY, Cali, etc. that don't usually matter? Idk just thinking out loud, I haven't really thought about that either.

Strat wrote:

4/5 wrote:Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures

Serious question: What has this gotten them? What have they been able to accomplish as far as a republican or conservative agenda.

I mean abortion isn't an issue I focus on a lot but I just read an article about the tremendous success they've had rolling back abortion rights and making access to abortion much more difficult all across the country. Just as one example.

Strat wrote:

4/5 wrote:Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures

Serious question: What has this gotten them? What have they been able to accomplish as far as a republican or conservative agenda.

Spoiler: show

4/5 wrote:

Strat wrote:

4/5 wrote:Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures

Serious question: What has this gotten them? What have they been able to accomplish as far as a republican or conservative agenda.

I mean abortion isn't an issue I focus on a lot but I just read an article about the tremendous success they've had rolling back abortion rights and making access to abortion much more difficult all across the country. Just as one example.

http://www.theonion.com/article/frustra ... driv-51923

It just seems like a tremendous amount of social change that runs counter to their basic idealogy has occurred during the same stretch of time.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Strat wrote:

4/5 wrote:Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures

Serious question: What has this gotten them? What have they been able to accomplish as far as a republican or conservative agenda.

Spoiler: show

I was going to flip this table if there was a Star Wars meme under that cut.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Strat wrote:

4/5 wrote:Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures

Serious question: What has this gotten them? What have they been able to accomplish as far as a republican or conservative agenda.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Simple Torture wrote:

turned2black wrote:This graphic is staggering to me. How can the GOP beat these odds (nationally) without drastic changes? I mean essentially all their numbers are shrinking when all the Dems numbers are increasing. I think even the Mormon church has admitted recently that their numbers are essentially flat.

As people said a few pages ago, it comes down to participation at times. Also, that graph is a little wonky, I think; surely, there are way more Evangelical Christians in the US than people who don't affiliate with a religion, so that +46 equals way more votes than the +36 on the other side.

Well sure.
I guess my larger point is that those bottom two groups (Hispanics and Millennials) are gonna be big mountains to climb going forward.

I'd be in favor of replacing the electoral college with a good rasslin' match

http://www.theonion.com/article/john-ro ... reye-52004

turned2black wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

turned2black wrote:This graphic is staggering to me. How can the GOP beat these odds (nationally) without drastic changes? I mean essentially all their numbers are shrinking when all the Dems numbers are increasing. I think even the Mormon church has admitted recently that their numbers are essentially flat.

As people said a few pages ago, it comes down to participation at times. Also, that graph is a little wonky, I think; surely, there are way more Evangelical Christians in the US than people who don't affiliate with a religion, so that +46 equals way more votes than the +36 on the other side.

Well sure.
I guess my larger point is that those bottom two groups (Hispanics and Millennials) are gonna be big mountains to climb going forward.

eh young people turn into old people eventually.

turned2black wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

turned2black wrote:This graphic is staggering to me. How can the GOP beat these odds (nationally) without drastic changes? I mean essentially all their numbers are shrinking when all the Dems numbers are increasing. I think even the Mormon church has admitted recently that their numbers are essentially flat.

As people said a few pages ago, it comes down to participation at times. Also, that graph is a little wonky, I think; surely, there are way more Evangelical Christians in the US than people who don't affiliate with a religion, so that +46 equals way more votes than the +36 on the other side.

Well sure.
I guess my larger point is that those bottom two groups (Hispanics and Millennials) are gonna be big mountains to climb going forward.

I feel like in 2012 there was a narrative floating around that the GOP could gain ground in the Hispanic community with religious-tinted issues, like abortion. Whatever happened to that?

Simple Torture wrote: I was going to flip this table if there was a Star Wars meme under that cut.

Nah, I'm done with that. Sorry it turned you off. I'm not a true fan, so you won't see any more of that in there.

Simple Torture wrote:

turned2black wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

turned2black wrote:This graphic is staggering to me. How can the GOP beat these odds (nationally) without drastic changes? I mean essentially all their numbers are shrinking when all the Dems numbers are increasing. I think even the Mormon church has admitted recently that their numbers are essentially flat.

As people said a few pages ago, it comes down to participation at times. Also, that graph is a little wonky, I think; surely, there are way more Evangelical Christians in the US than people who don't affiliate with a religion, so that +46 equals way more votes than the +36 on the other side.

Well sure.
I guess my larger point is that those bottom two groups (Hispanics and Millennials) are gonna be big mountains to climb going forward.

I feel like in 2012 there was a narrative floating around that the GOP could gain ground in the Hispanic community with religious-tinted issues, like abortion. Whatever happened to that?

Something about wall-building.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Simple Torture wrote: I was going to flip this table if there was a Star Wars meme under that cut.

Nah, I'm done with that. Sorry it turned you off. I'm not a true fan, so you won't see any more of that in there.

Oh my god are you still pouting?

They spent at least part of 2012-14 continuing to fight immigration, rather than win the Latino vote through religion...and now the pope is more liberal than some moderate Republicans, which further hinders that avenue.

McParadigm wrote:They spent at least part of 2012-14 continuing to fight immigration, rather than win the Latino vote through religion...and now the pope is more liberal than some moderate Republicans, which further hiders that avenue.

This was a pretty obvious answer, and I dunno how I missed it. Anecdotally: I teach a lot of students of color during the summer, and while my Hispanic students do skew more religious than other groups (except for immigrants from Africa), they've all got a chip on their shoulders about immigration, even though most of them were born here. If someone wanted to organize that voting block, they'd have nice weight behind it.

Simple Torture wrote:

McParadigm wrote:They spent at least part of 2012-14 continuing to fight immigration, rather than win the Latino vote through religion...and now the pope is more liberal than some moderate Republicans, which further hiders that avenue.

This was a pretty obvious answer, and I dunno how I missed it. Anecdotally: I teach a lot of students of color during the summer, and while my Hispanic students do skew more religious than other groups (except for immigrants from Africa), they've all got a chip on their shoulders about immigration, even though most of them were born here. If someone wanted to organize that voting block, they'd have nice weight behind it.

I think that's what Hillary "I always carry a Bible" Clinton is trying to do.

*That quote may not be real words, but it's in that spirit.

dimejinky99 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/scottish-university-revokes-donald-trumps-honorary-degree-174337374.html

Fuck, he must be crushed.