Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

epilogue wrote:

bada wrote:It cost 180 million and not enough people watched. That's the real math problem. Spending four quadrant money on a project that will only appeal to a niche audience is not a recipe for success.

My comment was not about this. My comment was directed at Bi doing Bi stuff.

All I do is win

I believe you believe that

I value your support

Oh honey...

McParadigm wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:No. They’re making a huge mistake giving in to a rabid toxic and very organised group who have been harrassing all the cast in all the various releases, and other fans of the franchise, since as far back as John Boyega popped up in a trailer as a black stormtrooper.
And especially every female or POC cast member since.

You’re living in a fantasy world. Disney didn’t cancel this show because a handful of racists made noise online. Disney canceled the show because the numbers sucked. It’s a corporation.

The “it bad because woke” comments on social media were never as omnipresent as the legitimate complaints about pacing, story, and characterization were….and many of those were coming from Star Wars fans.

I’m sorry that something you enjoyed went away. That always sucks. But the problem wasn’t that racists didn’t like this show. It was people. People didn’t like this show. So many of them that the obvious business decision was made.

'dreamworld' he says. yeah i havent been fully immersed in the star wars fandom since before 2015, and watched, often in horror (and reported here about it countless times) as exactly this stuff has been happening. I must have dreamed all that. It'll also be news to people like Kelly Marie Tran and most of her cast mates. We 'dreamed all that abuse lads. Didn't happen'.

For the record, i didnt enjoy the show. But you missed that point and the main one here. Like it or not the perception obviously is, that Disney have bowed to the assholes, did you not read the pieces from the major publications Ive posted above? Forbes has now also published a similar article.
And as the perception is theyve bowed to such pressure, theyre fucked forever more if they try to get any new talent or creators in, and fucked for getting the majority of people to actually watch it. It isn't a perception. They have bowed to the assholes.
The Asian members in this show particularly, brought in to try and make star wars more attractive to Asian markets (for Asian, read China) and now that's fucked.

Now we just have another handy culture war topic people like Bi and Burt can infest and cream themselves over as they think it's all going their way.

Saying “Disney didn’t cancel this show because of bigotry” is not the same as saying “there was no bigotry directed at this show,” dime.

By all accounts, Star Wars has not given Disney the returns it expected. In 2012 it had marvel-sized ambitions and a laundry list of upcoming movie announcements. Today, it is perhaps one or two box office failures away from being permanently relegated to television. The streaming shows have been occasionally but not consistently successful. This show in particular had a budget that can only be justified by massive audience numbers. It did not come close to achieving those numbers.

You just cannot get the suits to go along with spending hundreds of millions of dollars to draw an audience this size, man. You can’t. It’s not worth it, according to the only metric that matters to them. Even if there was no bigotry in the world, those numbers would still be those numbers.

It's strange though. There's a few accounts on these SW threads last few years, and i cant remember them ever commenting on the series/ film or whats going on within.

They only ever comment of the drama around it. i'm goin searching post histories

We assholes have won! Victory for us assholes! Star wars belongs to us assholes now! We have conquered!

Now we just need to take Star Trek back from JJ Abrams and all will be right in the world!

The gangs all here. This early of a sunday mornng? thought you all had to go to church first before shitposting and doing a culture war

tragabigzanda wrote:So this is where McP has been hiding while Bi3 runs amok in N&D. I hope you’re happy dime.

well, a cursory glance at their posting history, they really only started posting in SW threads, the more POC started appearing in the shows.

Isnt that strange??

still cant find any posts from them about the actual shows/storylines or anything.

Hey I'm on your side. I was as rooting for the show

BurtReynolds wrote:Oh God please let there be a season two.

BurtReynolds wrote:Hey I'm on your side. I was as rooting for the show

BurtReynolds wrote:Oh God please let there be a season two.

dont lie. and i dont even like this show..
Did have an interesting 20 minutes looking through your star wars posts though, and its fair to say your whole thing is about shitting on the whole of it rather than the current thing. And you were really only excited about the current thing, if there was a culture war argument going on around it. I find that strange but telling.

There were too many to pick but this sums it up. Did they fire you way back, or something else?

BurtReynolds wrote:the star wars forum is an absolute shit show. please delete.

I think it's strange that more people don't find culture and struggles for culture as fascinating as I do, but whatever.

Having seen how the sausage is made, I am more interested in the behind-the-scenes decision making of Disney execs than the terrible schlock they've been putting out. The final products in themselves aren't very interesting for me to talk about.

I could spend all day picking apart terrible plot and character decisions the creators make in a given episode, but I don't think you really want that, and there are plenty of people who do that already. I really don't think it's a great idea for me to talk about how the lightsaber of Klandu Meteorsmasher is the wrong color or whatever. And hatewatching isn't for me (there are plenty of people who do that, too).

Shouldn’t you be busy deleting your telegram channel? or at least ‘cleaning up’ a bit?

No I live in America

BurtReynolds wrote:No I live in America

you think that'll save you

McParadigm wrote:Saying “Disney didn’t cancel this show because of bigotry” is not the same as saying “there was no bigotry directed at this show,” dime.

By all accounts, Star Wars has not given Disney the returns it expected. In 2012 it had marvel-sized ambitions and a laundry list of upcoming movie announcements. Today, it is perhaps one or two box office failures away from being permanently relegated to television. The streaming shows have been occasionally but not consistently successful. This show in particular had a budget that can only be justified by massive audience numbers. It did not come close to achieving those numbers.

You just cannot get the suits to go along with spending hundreds of millions of dollars to draw an audience this size, man. You can’t. It’s not worth it, according to the only metric that matters to them. Even if there was no bigotry in the world, those numbers would still be those numbers.

Disney dont release numbers for the shows?

and you guys said it wasnt about racism..

Amandla Stenberg speaks on #TheAcolyte getting canceled

“It’s not a huge shock for me [that it was canceled]. Of course, I live in the bubble of my own reality but for those who aren’t aware there has been a rampage of vitriol that we have faced since the show was even announced ... when it was still just a concept and no one had even seen it. That’s when we started experiencing a rampage of hyper-conservative bigotry and vitriol, prejudice, hatred, and hateful language towards us ... this really affected me when I first got the job because it’s just not something, even though I anticipated it happening, it’s not something you can fully understand what it feels like until it’s happening to you.”

“It has been an incredible honor and dream for me to be in this universe ... And I just want to let those people know out there who supported us in that way, and supported us vocally in the face of all of the vitriol that we received, and the kind of the targeted attack I would say we received by the alt-right, just that you were deeply loved and appreciated, and it made this job all the worthwhile for me"

"And I have to thank Lesyle Headland ... I just fucking love that bitch ... one of the best people in the world ... she's so incredibly talented and unique ... I will love this experience with her forever"

"Bubble of my own reality" describes modern Hollywood pretty accurately I'd say.

BurtReynolds wrote:"Bubble of my own reality" describes modern Hollywood pretty accurately I'd say.

yeah that makes it all fair. she was clearly asking for it and deserves all that shit

can you ever hear yourself

Barbie suffered through an extremely loud conservative backlash, yet it was a huge success. And if the same group of people decided to make Barbie 2 tomorrow, it would also make hundreds of millions of dollars.

More recently, the culture warriors decided to get all wound up about The Boys. Conservatives declared the show woke and over, and review bombed it. Its viewership went up 20%.

It doesn’t matter that a bunch of shitheads complain about shithead things, dime. It only matters if enough people show up to watch your show.

- There are people spamming the N word in their mentions I'm sure.

- There are also people criticizing these shows for - among other things - wokeness related reasons.

- Then there is a third group criticizing the shows for other reasons.

I'm never sure what group that defenders are talking about when they claim to be victims of racism. In someone like Dime's case, they pretty clearly lump all three groups into the racist/alt-right monster category. Others only lump the first two groups (sometimes somewhat fairly, but usually not at all). The vast majority of critics condemn the first category, but that really goes without saying.