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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 9:54 pm
by stip
For those of you who are still potentially interested in this topic, the electoral college's primary influence at this point is that it dramatically over-inflates the value of small states while simultaneously guaranteeing that only a handful of large states receive any electoral pandering within a general election. It's basically why it took so long to start to normalize relationships with cuba, for instance. It is also the most effective mechanism we have for negating the value for as many votes as possible. It's really a pretty remarkable piece of work.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 10:00 pm
by simple schoolboy
stip wrote:For those of you who are still potentially interested in this topic, the electoral college's primary influence at this point is that it dramatically over-inflates the value of small states while simultaneously guaranteeing that only a handful of large states receive any electoral pandering within a general election. It's basically why it took so long to start to normalize relationships with cuba, for instance. It is also the most effective mechanism we have for negating the value for as many votes as possible. It's really a pretty remarkable piece of work.

I'd be okay with an over-representation of honorable yeoman farmers if those fuckers didn't demand ethanol subsidies.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 10:13 pm
by Green Habit
stip wrote:For those of you who are still potentially interested in this topic, the electoral college's primary influence at this point is that it dramatically over-inflates the value of small states while simultaneously guaranteeing that only a handful of large states receive any electoral pandering within a general election. It's basically why it took so long to start to normalize relationships with cuba, for instance. It is also the most effective mechanism we have for negating the value for as many votes as possible. It's really a pretty remarkable piece of work.
On this metric, the Senate's probably worse than the Electoral College.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 10:26 pm
by BurtReynolds
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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 10:35 pm
by Green Habit
Some Simpsons fan with good graphic design skills needs to put Trump's face over the Lard Lad Donuts mascot during the Paul Anka scene.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:04 pm
by stip
Green Habit wrote:
stip wrote:For those of you who are still potentially interested in this topic, the electoral college's primary influence at this point is that it dramatically over-inflates the value of small states while simultaneously guaranteeing that only a handful of large states receive any electoral pandering within a general election. It's basically why it took so long to start to normalize relationships with cuba, for instance. It is also the most effective mechanism we have for negating the value for as many votes as possible. It's really a pretty remarkable piece of work.
On this metric, the Senate's probably worse than the Electoral College.
It is even more egregious with the senate.

Electoral college (2008, but the gist is there)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008 ... .html?_r=0

and the senate (2013)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013 ... ntage.html

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:06 pm
by stip
the 21 smallest states, with a population equal to California, have 42 senators to California's 2.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:15 pm
by Green Habit
Of course, that small state advantage does jack shit for me when I live in one of the most left-wing districts of one of the most right-wing states.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:18 pm
by Norah
Isn't that why we have two chambers?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:21 pm
by stip
isn't what why? The size differential? Bicameral legislators are a hold over from an aristocratic time when elites were suspicion of democratic rule, and reflect a need to protect an understanding of state sovereignty that hasn't been meaningful in well over one hundred years.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:42 pm
by Norah
Well one chamber is represented by each state equally and the other is by population. Isn't a purpose of that so small states can't claim marginalization and large states can't claim their populations aren't fairly represented?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:44 pm
by Norah
If that's not pertinent to the conversion I'm sorry. I chimed in from my phone while sitting in traffic.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:46 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
cutuphalfdead wrote: conversion

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 11:56 pm
by Green Habit
cutuphalfdead wrote:Well one chamber is represented by each state equally and the other is by population. Isn't a purpose of that so small states can't claim marginalization and large states can't claim their populations aren't fairly represented?
This presupposes that a small group of people should have equal representation to a large group of people just because they happen to live in an arbitrary geographic area. It was probably necessary to make the Constitution work with all 13 colonies, but it's wreaked unintentional consequences.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu December 10, 2015 12:02 am
by Norah
Green Habit wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Well one chamber is represented by each state equally and the other is by population. Isn't a purpose of that so small states can't claim marginalization and large states can't claim their populations aren't fairly represented?
This presupposes that a small group of people should have equal representation to a large group of people just because they happen to live in an arbitrary geographic area. It was probably necessary to make the Constitution work with all 13 colonies, but it's wreaked unintentional consequences.
We're a country built on compromise. No one is completely happy.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu December 10, 2015 6:06 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Thu December 10, 2015 6:32 pm
by stip
If you're so wise how come your people lost all their land?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Fri December 11, 2015 12:39 am
by The Argonaut
I can hardly wait for the one word headline under a big dumb picture of Trump:

LOSER

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Fri December 11, 2015 1:03 am
by stip
Guys, he's gonna be your nominee.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Fri December 11, 2015 1:05 am
by Birds in Hell
I refuse to believe that.