Red Mosquito

I would be posting more but it's easier just to say "what stip said."

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:i understand that a story is more than a slow motion leap out of a firey building, possibly in a christ pose for the addition of a ‘mythic theme’

And I understand that a movie is more than a story

You said movies aren't stories earlier. So, now you're saying they are stories, but more than that? Duh. No one is arguing that.

When did I say they’re stories? I said they’re MORE THAN stories.

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:I really liked that first dreadnought commander. I would have liked a bit more of him

One of the best characters of that class in the franchise.

Yeah he was awesome. And it really mirrored real life in a way. The unqualified asshole will always get ahead (Hux) but will depend on and take credit for the far more qualified underling who should really be his job.

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:I really liked that first dreadnought commander. I would have liked a bit more of him

One of the best characters of that class in the franchise.

I thought he would make a better hux! Though i get that this sequel is focusing on a younger generation who are all just coming into their power and finding their place in the galaxy. This is also why a lot of their decisions don't make sense. I have a feeling it will all come together in episode 9. Its almost like watching LV discuss his tastes in movies. Some day he will learn. WE all do.

bune wrote:

man, signing this is a half a step from ‘appeared at alt right nazi rally’ as a barrier to future employment

They're not really wrong though.

stip wrote:I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

It is kind of funny how TFA got so much flack for repeating so many star wars tropes. Now the last jedi goes quite a different route and a lot of the complains and ideas of how each story should have gone...m.irror what weve seen in star wars so many times.

"Who is snoke, why is he so powerful, i cant believe they killed him with nothing more, what about palpatine etc"

"they should have snuck on the destroy and had the droid dismantle, etc..etc.."

"more flames like the battle between obi and anakin"

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:i understand that a story is more than a slow motion leap out of a firey building, possibly in a christ pose for the addition of a ‘mythic theme’

And I understand that a movie is more than a story

You said movies aren't stories earlier. So, now you're saying they are stories, but more than that? Duh. No one is arguing that.

When did I say they’re stories? I said they’re MORE THAN stories.

That's fair.

I guess I have a hard time with you making declarative statements that "movies are not stories" or "movies are more than stories" without acknowledging that the majority of society (and the dictionary) define them as a series of moving pictures that tell a story.

Wouldn't you say the vast majority of movies tell some sort of a story? Stories don't define the medium by any means, but they provide a basic framework.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:i understand that a story is more than a slow motion leap out of a firey building, possibly in a christ pose for the addition of a ‘mythic theme’

And I understand that a movie is more than a story

You said movies aren't stories earlier. So, now you're saying they are stories, but more than that? Duh. No one is arguing that.

When did I say they’re stories? I said they’re MORE THAN stories.

That's fair.

I guess I have a hard time with you making declarative statements that "movies are not stories" or "movies are more than stories" without acknowledging that the majority of society (and the dictionary) define them as a series of moving pictures that tell a story.

Wouldn't you say the vast majority of movies tell some sort of a story? Stories don't define the medium by any means, but they provide a basic framework.

Look, you can't argue with a fella who declares the transformer movies the greatest cinema experience and a leap forward in film making.

Strat wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:i understand that a story is more than a slow motion leap out of a firey building, possibly in a christ pose for the addition of a ‘mythic theme’

And I understand that a movie is more than a story

You said movies aren't stories earlier. So, now you're saying they are stories, but more than that? Duh. No one is arguing that.

When did I say they’re stories? I said they’re MORE THAN stories.

That's fair.

I guess I have a hard time with you making declarative statements that "movies are not stories" or "movies are more than stories" without acknowledging that the majority of society (and the dictionary) define them as a series of moving pictures that tell a story.

Wouldn't you say the vast majority of movies tell some sort of a story? Stories don't define the medium by any means, but they provide a basic framework.

Look, you can't argue with a fella who declares the transformer movies the greatest cinema experience and a leap forward in film making.

That's probably true.

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

stip wrote:I really liked that first dreadnought commander. I would have liked a bit more of him

Yes, the older guy? He was pretty cool

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:i understand that a story is more than a slow motion leap out of a firey building, possibly in a christ pose for the addition of a ‘mythic theme’

And I understand that a movie is more than a story

You said movies aren't stories earlier. So, now you're saying they are stories, but more than that? Duh. No one is arguing that.

When did I say they’re stories? I said they’re MORE THAN stories.

That's fair.

I guess I have a hard time with you making declarative statements that "movies are not stories" or "movies are more than stories" without acknowledging that the majority of society (and the dictionary) define them as a series of moving pictures that tell a story.

Wouldn't you say the vast majority of movies tell some sort of a story? Stories don't define the medium by any means, but they provide a basic framework.

The majority of society also thinks TFA is a good example of filmmaking, so forgive me if I don’t give them much credibility.

Hang on. Movies aren’t stories?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:i understand that a story is more than a slow motion leap out of a firey building, possibly in a christ pose for the addition of a ‘mythic theme’

And I understand that a movie is more than a story

You said movies aren't stories earlier. So, now you're saying they are stories, but more than that? Duh. No one is arguing that.

When did I say they’re stories? I said they’re MORE THAN stories.

That's fair.

I guess I have a hard time with you making declarative statements that "movies are not stories" or "movies are more than stories" without acknowledging that the majority of society (and the dictionary) define them as a series of moving pictures that tell a story.

Wouldn't you say the vast majority of movies tell some sort of a story? Stories don't define the medium by any means, but they provide a basic framework.

The majority of society also thinks TFA is a good example of filmmaking, so forgive me if I don’t give them much credibility.

I'm not arguing about what is "good" or not. I'm asking why your definition of a film is the "correct" definition compared to others.

Strat wrote:It is kind of funny how TFA got so much flack for repeating so many star wars tropes. Now the last jedi goes quite a different route and a lot of the complains and ideas of how each story should have gone.

It's not weird or wrong though. TFA does many things right, and it took the right path in many ways. Most people loved it, and it's got a really good rating everywhere. The worst parts of the movie were when they tried to copy the original, and only did it worse, much worse. Starkiller Base might be the worst idea in all of Star Wars, and that's saying something. This is a trap that Rogue One and TLJ obviously could have fallen into as well, but didn't. Rogue One did its own thing, and still got some criticism for going to too many worlds etc. TLJ however, basically throws TFA and Star Wars history off a cliff, and does something totally different. It's not like if you didn't like Starkiller Base, you can now not think that TLJ does most things wrong.

VinylGuy wrote:

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

I am relaxed.

But my point is, the arc's aren't complete, their transformation is not complete but this episode absolutely moved the characters forward. And i also agree that Finn's story was a little weak though I believe him killing Phasma will cement his pale firmly on the side of the resistance. he's had the tendency to run away and not be fully commuted tot he cause in both of the films. I believe in episode 9 that will change and its all due in part to his adventures in this episode. He feasted his eyes on canto bight and originally was in aw of the place until Rose explained to him what this place all means in the greater galaxy of star wars. He witnessed the dichotomy between the two class systems on that adventure which then begin to influence his decisions moving forward.

Anders wrote:

Strat wrote:It is kind of funny how TFA got so much flack for repeating so many star wars tropes. Now the last jedi goes quite a different route and a lot of the complains and ideas of how each story should have gone.

It's not weird or wrong though. TFA does many things right, and it took the right path in many ways. Most people loved it, and it's got a really good rating everywhere. The worst parts of the movie were when they tried to copy the original, and only did it worse, much worse. Starkiller Base might be the worst idea in all of Star Wars, and that's saying something. This is a trap that Rogue One and TLJ obviously could have fallen into as well, but didn't. Rogue One did its own thing, and still got some criticism for going to too many worlds etc. TLJ however, basically throws TFA and Star Wars history off a cliff, and does something totally different. It's not like if you didn't like Starkiller Base, you can now not think that TLJ does most things wrong.

This just isn't true though as explained multiple times.