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LoathedVermin72 wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

lennytheweedwhacker wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

EJ wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:I love how nobody even mentions they already did a steve jobs movie.

They already did like 3 bro

rank 'em

I haven't seen the others but I wouldn't be surprised if Boyle's was the worst of the bunch.

do u hate boyle

Nah, he's made some good movies. Though I haven't liked anything he's made lately, and it's been a long time since I've seen the ones I did like.

i haven't seen a lot of his stuff...i thought slumdog was overrated, and sunshine was 3/4th's of a good movie

Never bothered with Slumdog, but I hated Sunshine. The last movie of his I liked was Millions.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I just saw Steve Jobs. I wish I had just watched Birdman a second time.

Haha, I was thinking how similar they were as well. I find theaters/backstage to be innately fascinating and I loved all the actors, so I really dug it. But it's definitely a movie that a lot of people will not enjoy. Not surprised to find out it's totally bombing at the box office.

I liked the cast too, and the backstage aesthetic was fine, but where Birdman knew what it was exploring and did so cohesively and intelligently (and poetically), Steve Jobs never seems to find a central theme, idea, or insight. The focus on the daughter felt very trite and, frankly, wrong-headed to me. A very lazy way to characterize Jobs as a flawed, human figure. Birdman tackled artistic obsession/narcissism/egomania and how it interacts with familial obligation and personal relationships much more insightfully, truthfully, and ecstatically. It walks while Jobs talks.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not sure I'd call it a solid script. All the fucking metaphors and analogies Jobs constantly spoke in became insufferable (and ridiculous) very quickly. Sorkin is approaching Tarantino levels of circumlocution.

BurtReynolds wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not sure I'd call it a solid script. All the fucking metaphors and analogies Jobs constantly spoke in became insufferable (and ridiculous) very quickly. Sorkin is approaching Tarantino levels of circumlocution.

Well I know you wouldn't call it a solid script. That's what makes it good.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not sure I'd call it a solid script. All the fucking metaphors and analogies Jobs constantly spoke in became insufferable (and ridiculous) very quickly. Sorkin is approaching Tarantino levels of circumlocution.

Well I know you wouldn't call it a solid script. That's what makes it good.

Your schtick toward me has gotten really tired, Burt. Don't be a hack.

BurtReynolds wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not sure I'd call it a solid script. All the fucking metaphors and analogies Jobs constantly spoke in became insufferable (and ridiculous) very quickly. Sorkin is approaching Tarantino levels of circumlocution.

Well I know you wouldn't call it a solid script. That's what makes it good.

Your schtick toward me has gotten really tired, Burt. Don't be a hack.

My shtick is rock solid!

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I just saw Steve Jobs. I wish I had just watched Birdman a second time.

Haha, I was thinking how similar they were as well. I find theaters/backstage to be innately fascinating and I loved all the actors, so I really dug it. But it's definitely a movie that a lot of people will not enjoy. Not surprised to find out it's totally bombing at the box office.

I liked the cast too, and the backstage aesthetic was fine, but where Birdman knew what it was exploring and did so cohesively and intelligently (and poetically), Steve Jobs never seems to find a central theme, idea, or insight. The focus on the daughter felt very trite and, frankly, wrong-headed to me. A very lazy way to characterize Jobs as a flawed, human figure. Birdman tackled artistic obsession/narcissism/egomania and how it interacts with familial obligation and personal relationships much more insightfully, truthfully, and ecstatically. It walks while Jobs talks.

I would agree with most of this, but I still really dug it. Boyle actually put a little too much of an uplifting touch on it for me, but that's just his style. I would have been interested to see Fincher take on the same script.

stip wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I just saw Steve Jobs. I wish I had just watched Birdman a second time.

Haha, I was thinking how similar they were as well. I find theaters/backstage to be innately fascinating and I loved all the actors, so I really dug it. But it's definitely a movie that a lot of people will not enjoy. Not surprised to find out it's totally bombing at the box office.

I liked the cast too, and the backstage aesthetic was fine, but where Birdman knew what it was exploring and did so cohesively and intelligently (and poetically), Steve Jobs never seems to find a central theme, idea, or insight. The focus on the daughter felt very trite and, frankly, wrong-headed to me. A very lazy way to characterize Jobs as a flawed, human figure. Birdman tackled artistic obsession/narcissism/egomania and how it interacts with familial obligation and personal relationships much more insightfully, truthfully, and ecstatically. It walks while Jobs talks.

I would agree with most of this, but I still really dug it. Boyle actually put a little too much of an uplifting touch on it for me, but that's just his style. I would have been interested to see Fincher take on the same script.

I'm excited it's bombing just because I tend to support anything that prevents the further deification of a business leader

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I just saw Steve Jobs. I wish I had just watched Birdman a second time.

Haha, I was thinking how similar they were as well. I find theaters/backstage to be innately fascinating and I loved all the actors, so I really dug it. But it's definitely a movie that a lot of people will not enjoy. Not surprised to find out it's totally bombing at the box office.

I liked the cast too, and the backstage aesthetic was fine, but where Birdman knew what it was exploring and did so cohesively and intelligently (and poetically), Steve Jobs never seems to find a central theme, idea, or insight. The focus on the daughter felt very trite and, frankly, wrong-headed to me. A very lazy way to characterize Jobs as a flawed, human figure. Birdman tackled artistic obsession/narcissism/egomania and how it interacts with familial obligation and personal relationships much more insightfully, truthfully, and ecstatically. It walks while Jobs talks.

I would agree with most of this, but I still really dug it. Boyle actually put a little too much of an uplifting touch on it for me, but that's just his style. I would have been interested to see Fincher take on the same script.

I'm excited it's bombing just because I tend to support anything that prevents the further deification of a business leader

The first trailer I saw made it look awful. It looked like typical deification bio bullshit. But the other trailer I saw sold me on it. A Steve Jobs movie doesn't interest me at all, but I don't watch these movies for the accuracy (and I doubt this one is very accurate at all).

Mostly the movie makes him seem like a dick, but a likeable one.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.