Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[LoathedVermin72]

Seriously, though, it bothers me because, over time, the prevalence of these surface-level attitudes and proclivities degrades the medium I love, as evinced by the mostly dismal crop of young directors desecrating the blockbuster these days.

Would you say that is a failure of the audience, directors, or the conglomeration of the industry looking for safe bets and/or international appeal?

Audience, and that shallow audience becoming a new generation of filmmakers.

Where would you say Transformers Director Michael Bay fits into this generation?

He ain’t part of it, bub

Of course he’s not. take it to your cinematic thoughts thread and expand. I’d like to know why he isn’t.

Umm...because he’s a Gen Xer who started making movies in the 90s?

[E.H. Ruddock]

So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

[Strat]

So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

[E.H. Ruddock]

So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

I'm going again tomorrow, and probably a third time. I've already come around on the Canto Bight thing, so who knows what else I might get out of a second viewing. Let's see.

[dimejinky99]

So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

I'm going again tomorrow, and probably a third time. I've already come around on the Canto Bight thing, so who knows what else I might get out of a second viewing. Let's see.

You’re probably bored hearin it Ruddo but it improves a huge amount on subsequent viewings. I left my first really shocked and angry. Once you’re ready for them in the second spin the really brilliant stuff takes over and stands out.

I’m on my fifth now and I love it. Don’t know where I rank it. I wanna watch the ot again and TFA. But it’s among them.

[VinylGuy]

Rian Johnson on fan response

http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-rian- ... se/#images

The problem is the tone for me. Its clearly a parody.

[LetMeSleep]

I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

I am relaxed.

But my point is, the arc's aren't complete, their transformation is not complete but this episode absolutely moved the characters forward. And i also agree that Finn's story was a little weak though I believe him killing Phasma will cement his pale firmly on the side of the resistance. he's had the tendency to run away and not be fully commuted tot he cause in both of the films. I believe in episode 9 that will change and its all due in part to his adventures in this episode. He feasted his eyes on canto bight and originally was in aw of the place until Rose explained to him what this place all means in the greater galaxy of star wars. He witnessed the dichotomy between the two class systems on that adventure which then begin to influence his decisions moving forward.

In both films Finn has needed a partner or he has lost heart and wanted to desert. He has been told what to do for his entire life up to deserting the First Order. His partnering with Rose is not only consistent but crucial for his character.

Another aspect of this film that I enjoyed/appreciated is the failings that many character experienced. Too often in tv dramas only successful avenues are explored. Watch any cop show and any interview situation will garner a lead. In TLJ they experience dead ends and betrayal

[dimejinky99]

I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

I am relaxed.

But my point is, the arc's aren't complete, their transformation is not complete but this episode absolutely moved the characters forward. And i also agree that Finn's story was a little weak though I believe him killing Phasma will cement his pale firmly on the side of the resistance. he's had the tendency to run away and not be fully commuted tot he cause in both of the films. I believe in episode 9 that will change and its all due in part to his adventures in this episode. He feasted his eyes on canto bight and originally was in aw of the place until Rose explained to him what this place all means in the greater galaxy of star wars. He witnessed the dichotomy between the two class systems on that adventure which then begin to influence his decisions moving forward.

In both films Finn has needed a partner or he has lost heart and wanted to desert. He has been told what to do for his entire life up to deserting the First Order. His partnering with Rose is not only consistent but crucial for his character.

Another aspect of this film that I enjoyed/appreciated is the failings that many character experienced. Too often in tv dramas only successful avenues are explored. Watch any cop show and any interview situation will garner a lead. In TLJ they experience dead ends and betrayal

It’s a bit weird Finn has basically the same story in both films. I really hope they harden his characeter and give him something else to do in 9

[VinylGuy]

yeah finn does the same in both of the movies. Hell, he has a love interest in both of them too.

[stip]

Rey isn't really a love interest. He's pining for meaning.

Finn's initial story (the desire to find something to belong to) concludes here. But it's a continuation, not a rehash. The first movie is about his devotion to Rey, and this one expands it to the larger Resistance

[VinylGuy]

Rey isn't really a love interest. He's pining for meaning.

Finn's initial story (the desire to find something to belong to) concludes here. But it's a continuation, not a rehash. The first movie is about his devotion to Rey, and this one expands it to the larger Resistance

not a rehash? he basically escaping again and meets a girl who drags him again into the adventure of compromise with the resistance.

[VinylGuy]

and about rey not being a love story, its always hinted towards that. Even with the scene of Rey looking at Finn taking care of Rose.

[LoathedVermin72]

I will hate Rey forever for not getting with Kylo. What a dumbass.

[dimejinky99]

Wow

"So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7."

I guess George Lucas doesn't understand Luke, either.
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

[Anders]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

[Anders]

Wow

"So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7."

I guess George Lucas doesn't understand Luke, either.
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Actually they way they explained it in the article sounded a lot better than what we got.

[VinylGuy]

yeah, sounds pretty different and cooler.

[dimejinky99]

Wow

"So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7."

I guess George Lucas doesn't understand Luke, either.
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Actually they way they explained it in the article sounded a lot better than what we got.

I’m a fuckin hardcore die hard TFA fan but George’s idea for episode 7 sounds like an infinitely better film.

[stip]

Rey isn't really a love interest. He's pining for meaning.

Finn's initial story (the desire to find something to belong to) concludes here. But it's a continuation, not a rehash. The first movie is about his devotion to Rey, and this one expands it to the larger Resistance

not a rehash? he basically escaping again and meets a girl who drags him again into the adventure of compromise with the resistance.

if it's a rehash than Han's arc in Empire is a rehash. He's still in the middle of a transformation that hasn't yet completed, which makes sense in part since he wakes up and literally no time has passed from the end. But there is an expansion of his journey from being focused on Rey to being focused on something bigger.

[stip]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother