Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Seriously, though, it bothers me because, over time, the prevalence of these surface-level attitudes and proclivities degrades the medium I love, as evinced by the mostly dismal crop of young directors desecrating the blockbuster these days.

Would you say that is a failure of the audience, directors, or the conglomeration of the industry looking for safe bets and/or international appeal?

Audience, and that shallow audience becoming a new generation of filmmakers.

Where would you say Transformers Director Michael Bay fits into this generation?

He ain’t part of it, bub

Of course he’s not. take it to your cinematic thoughts thread and expand. I’d like to know why he isn’t.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:So the things I'm bitching about seem minor, and probably are, but ultimately impacted the flow, or lack thereof, of the movie for me. I never felt fully engaged because of it

I'm going again tomorrow, and probably a third time. I've already come around on the Canto Bight thing, so who knows what else I might get out of a second viewing. Let's see.

stip wrote:Rian Johnson on fan response

http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-rian- ... se/#images

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

I am relaxed.

But my point is, the arc's aren't complete, their transformation is not complete but this episode absolutely moved the characters forward. And i also agree that Finn's story was a little weak though I believe him killing Phasma will cement his pale firmly on the side of the resistance. he's had the tendency to run away and not be fully commuted tot he cause in both of the films. I believe in episode 9 that will change and its all due in part to his adventures in this episode. He feasted his eyes on canto bight and originally was in aw of the place until Rose explained to him what this place all means in the greater galaxy of star wars. He witnessed the dichotomy between the two class systems on that adventure which then begin to influence his decisions moving forward.

LetMeSleep wrote:

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

I am relaxed.

But my point is, the arc's aren't complete, their transformation is not complete but this episode absolutely moved the characters forward. And i also agree that Finn's story was a little weak though I believe him killing Phasma will cement his pale firmly on the side of the resistance. he's had the tendency to run away and not be fully commuted tot he cause in both of the films. I believe in episode 9 that will change and its all due in part to his adventures in this episode. He feasted his eyes on canto bight and originally was in aw of the place until Rose explained to him what this place all means in the greater galaxy of star wars. He witnessed the dichotomy between the two class systems on that adventure which then begin to influence his decisions moving forward.

In both films Finn has needed a partner or he has lost heart and wanted to desert. He has been told what to do for his entire life up to deserting the First Order. His partnering with Rose is not only consistent but crucial for his character.

Another aspect of this film that I enjoyed/appreciated is the failings that many character experienced. Too often in tv dramas only successful avenues are explored. Watch any cop show and any interview situation will garner a lead. In TLJ they experience dead ends and betrayal

stip wrote:Rey isn't really a love interest. He's pining for meaning.

Finn's initial story (the desire to find something to belong to) concludes here. But it's a continuation, not a rehash. The first movie is about his devotion to Rey, and this one expands it to the larger Resistance

dimejinky99 wrote:Wow

"So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7."

I guess George Lucas doesn't understand Luke, either.
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Wow

"So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7."

I guess George Lucas doesn't understand Luke, either.
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Actually they way they explained it in the article sounded a lot better than what we got.

VinylGuy wrote:

stip wrote:Rey isn't really a love interest. He's pining for meaning.

Finn's initial story (the desire to find something to belong to) concludes here. But it's a continuation, not a rehash. The first movie is about his devotion to Rey, and this one expands it to the larger Resistance

not a rehash? he basically escaping again and meets a girl who drags him again into the adventure of compromise with the resistance.

Anders wrote:I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.