Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[E.H. Ruddock]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

[stip]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

[stip]

Wow

"So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7."

I guess George Lucas doesn't understand Luke, either.
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Actually they way they explained it in the article sounded a lot better than what we got.

I’m a fuckin hardcore die hard TFA fan but George’s idea for episode 7 sounds like an infinitely better film.

It's the more obvious direction (not necessarily a critique. Obvious is not always a bad thing). What we got basically gave this Kira character a movie's worth of backstory

[epilogue]

They're not really wrong though.

Yes. Yes they are. Please don't give this kind of nonsense any validity or excuse.

[Anders]

They're not really wrong though.

Yes. Yes they are. Please don't give this kind of nonsense any validity or excuse.

I think they had valid reasons in the article, feeling that Luke's story was ruined. I agree with that.

[VinylGuy]

Joe is getting anxious with all these opinions.

[Anders]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

I am talking about Finn and Poe. I felt they had a connection, and thought Disney might go for it. Would have been interesting.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

How is he into Rey if he had not met her until the end of TLJ?

[E.H. Ruddock]

whatever, I'm just confusing myself now. Carry on.

[stip]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

I am talking about Finn and Poe. I felt they had a connection, and thought Disney might go for it. Would have been interesting.

oh, whoops. My bad

[stip]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

How is he into Rey if he had not met her until the end of TLJ?

And I meant Finn. I just f'd this exchange up left and right

[stip]

They're not really wrong though.

Yes. Yes they are. Please don't give this kind of nonsense any validity or excuse.

I think they had valid reasons in the article, feeling that Luke's story was ruined. I agree with that.

what element of the story do you think 'ruined' luke. It was the Force Awaken that created the 'jedi in hiding due to the betryal of his nephew'. Is your issue with that or the direction Johnson took it?

[dimejinky99]

OH god.
The red letter media review is out and the TLJ hate brigade are using it as their new favourite argument.

Ugh.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

How is he into Rey if he had not met her until the end of TLJ?

And I meant Finn. I just f'd this exchange up left and right

You should ban yourself from this forum for 24 hours.

[stip]

OH god.
The red letter media review is out and the TLJ hate brigade are using it as their new favourite argument.

Ugh.

what did they say?

[stip]

I thought Finn and Poe had a thing going in TFA.

Poe is into her, but she friendzone's him. She cares about him, but not romantically (which is sealed in the kiss on the forehead rather than the lips when he is healing before she leaves). He becomes family/a brother

Poe is into who? He only meets Rey in the end of TLJ.

Into Rey in TFA

How is he into Rey if he had not met her until the end of TLJ?

And I meant Finn. I just f'd this exchange up left and right

You should ban yourself from this forum for 24 hours.

I need it

[epilogue]

I think you are confusing a character arc with action beats, VG

No, no. I still dont get how Poe had an arc or Finn...or Rose.

Poe absolutely did.

Finn and Rose story is weaker, yes. But we all mostly agree on that.

And also, this is stillt he middle part of the saga! Reserve some judgement until we see the completion of the story!

Oh yeah, im talking about this movie. This story. And guys, im not saying it a piece of crap. Relax...this are idead.
I think they arc or story or whatever was weak, and most of what happened with Poe was misleading just because they need it for the audience.

I am relaxed.

But my point is, the arc's aren't complete, their transformation is not complete but this episode absolutely moved the characters forward. And i also agree that Finn's story was a little weak though I believe him killing Phasma will cement his pale firmly on the side of the resistance. he's had the tendency to run away and not be fully commuted tot he cause in both of the films. I believe in episode 9 that will change and its all due in part to his adventures in this episode. He feasted his eyes on canto bight and originally was in aw of the place until Rose explained to him what this place all means in the greater galaxy of star wars. He witnessed the dichotomy between the two class systems on that adventure which then begin to influence his decisions moving forward.

In both films Finn has needed a partner or he has lost heart and wanted to desert. He has been told what to do for his entire life up to deserting the First Order. His partnering with Rose is not only consistent but crucial for his character.

Another aspect of this film that I enjoyed/appreciated is the failings that many character experienced. Too often in tv dramas only successful avenues are explored. Watch any cop show and any interview situation will garner a lead. In TLJ they experience dead ends and betrayal

Finn has never made a choice or committed to a side. He does at the end of this film. It's Rose that guides him to a place where he is able to choice a side. And without his experience on Canto Bight with rose and with DJ (which stands for "Don't Join") he would not have grown and been able to ultimately choose. It's not the best storyline in the film, to be sure, but there what is learned, what Finn goes through is absolutely necessary to the character and the story.

[epilogue]

Rey isn't really a love interest. He's pining for meaning.

Finn's initial story (the desire to find something to belong to) concludes here. But it's a continuation, not a rehash. The first movie is about his devotion to Rey, and this one expands it to the larger Resistance

Once again... what Stip said.

[dimejinky99]

OH god.
The red letter media review is out and the TLJ hate brigade are using it as their new favourite argument.

Ugh.

what did they say?

They hate it. ‘But they’d have a well thought out articulate argument about WHY ITS THE WORST FILM EVER MADE!’

Apparently

[stip]

Joe is getting anxious with all these opinions.

No one is arguing with your opinions. We are arguing with your apparent fundamental misunderstanding of the text

It’s the difference between not liking betterman because you don’t care for the melody and not liking betterman because you think it’s an upbeat affirmation of two people’s enduring love