Red Mosquito

Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.

daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.

This is a really good point

Mark Hamill was bang on the money when he said this movie would divide fans. Some of the backlash on social media is unbelievable.

daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.

Luke being a peaceful zen Jedi master would have been boring. Utterly boring. I wanted to see him as a troubled master teaching new Jedi. We didn’t get that. Ok fine.

Rian hasn’t met your headcanon for luke. Get over it.

If he had made a film by committee it would be an impossible task and if it ever appeared an atrocity. No filmmaker makes films just to suit fanboi wank off bullshit. Ok. Michael bay does. Ask LV

But no serious filmmaker does. You didn’t like the film? Fine. You will be calling it one of your favourites in time. I’ll bet on it.

dime you are a complete idiot

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.

This is a really good point

That point assumes that Luke was never conflicted, never had doubts, never wondered if it would be easier. Hell, he has a whole DUEL against the father he is trying to save, and comes seconds away from striking him down in anger. Hell, he probably would have done it if the emperor hadn't overplayed his hand by goading him. Luke's power comes from making the right decision in the end, not from always being perfect.

And there is nothing in Luke's life that, in terms of mental trauma, comes close to what Luke experiences with the Kylo's fall, the death of his students, etc.


But while I disagree with you, that is a worthwhile argument made by referencing the existing texts and drawing a plausible interpretation from them. I think it's less interesting than what they did (and denies the character any room for further growth),and I don't share that interpretation of the character, but it makes sense and is thoughtful.


And I WISH I've seen it 5-6 times already. I can't fucking wait. I've almost gone out every night since Friday to see it again. Tomorrow, though

daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.

Thanks for ruining it for me, dick.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

stip wrote: That point assumes that Luke was never conflicted, never had doubts, never wondered if it would be easier. Hell, he has a whole DUEL against the father he is trying to save, and comes seconds away from striking him down in anger. Hell, he probably would have done it if the emperor hadn't overplayed his hand by goading him. Luke's power comes from making the right decision in the end, not from always being perfect.

And there is nothing in Luke's life that, in terms of mental trauma, comes close to what Luke experiences with the Kylo's fall, the death of his students, etc.

Thanks for saving it for me, stip.

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

Same to you, except nothing you say gives me pleasure. You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.

Will you two fuck already?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

Same to you, except nothing you say gives me pleasure. You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.

Well what’s weird is I watched transformers and did t like it and yet somehow didn’t feel the need to comment on it ENDLESSLY to disrupt the conversation of those that did.

You with me so far?

Probably not.

And quit with the personal insults. Be adults.

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

Same to you, except nothing you say gives me pleasure. You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.

Well what’s weird is I watched transformers and did t like it and yet somehow didn’t feel the need to comment on it ENDLESSLY to disrupt the conversation of those that did.

You with me so far?

Probably not.

Ps. I’m a lot of things. Ignorant on Star Wars? I am not.

You can’t say the same. Shoo now little man.

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

Same to you, except nothing you say gives me pleasure. You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.

Well what’s weird is I watched transformers and did t like it and yet somehow didn’t feel the need to comment on it ENDLESSLY to disrupt the conversation of those that did.

You with me so far?

Probably not.

Never heard this argument before. Joy joy joy Star Wars Star Wars nothing negative or you’re trolling I don’t understand how movies work

dimejinky99 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

Same to you, except nothing you say gives me pleasure. You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.

Well what’s weird is I watched transformers and did t like it and yet somehow didn’t feel the need to comment on it ENDLESSLY to disrupt the conversation of those that did.

You with me so far?

Probably not.

Ps. I’m a lot of things. Ignorant on Star Wars? I am not.

You can’t say the same. Shoo now little man.

Of course you think I meant you were ignorant about SW. lol

B wrote:And quit with the personal insults. Be adults.

Don’t worry - our mutual hatred for each other binds us eternally.

Here's a question. Was the light speed kamikaze attack the most striking visual effect in Star Wars history?

Ive only seen it once so far so i probably missed something, but are we sure we have seen what actually happened between Luke and Ren, each time we saw the flash back the story was a bit different and i feel like none of them were the total truth yet

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime you are a complete idiot

You’re beneath contempt and view transformers as worthy of praise.

It gives me nothing but pleasure to hear you say that

Troll on little man.

Same to you, except nothing you say gives me pleasure. You are the epitome of an ignorant, drooling fanboy.

Well what’s weird is I watched transformers and did t like it and yet somehow didn’t feel the need to comment on it ENDLESSLY to disrupt the conversation of those that did.

You with me so far?

Probably not.

Never heard this argument before. Joy joy joy Star Wars Star Wars nothing negative or you’re trolling I don’t understand how movies work

Purple monkey dishwasher what?
You know less about Star Wars or film in general than a fart in a breeze. I do love the posturing though. Go you.
Fucking millennials. While you’re busy know everything wrong with everything how about fixing everything!

Oh. Wait.