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harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:OK.

Hey guys, Matt is pretty great, carry on!

Matt Cameron Appreciation Thread

And one more question, what are you thinking about studio version of wma is it all right? that drum loop? No offense

Well yeah, it's pretty great. Is it a sampled loop? Possibly I can't remember. It's very well played though, and the song suits the loop.

Yeah i believe that has been recorded as a sampled loop, suits just cos of Dave playing?

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Thank you again for your honestly answers, i know i'm bit annoying

Um, no, not just because it's Dave. The song is a drone which rises "like a wave" but remains on the same simple chord progression throughout, so because it's a drone, the "droning" looped drums suit the intent. They're tribal drums, which are by nature repetitive and trance-like.

Actually i'm all Jack here, did you hear some 95 japan(?) version , with a drum solo?

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I got your point though

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:OK.

Hey guys, Matt is pretty great, carry on!

Matt Cameron Appreciation Thread

And one more question, what are you thinking about studio version of wma is it all right? that drum loop? No offense

Well yeah, it's pretty great. Is it a sampled loop? Possibly I can't remember. It's very well played though, and the song suits the loop.

Yeah i believe that has been recorded as a sampled loop, suits just cos of Dave playing?

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Thank you again for your honestly answers, i know i'm bit annoying

Um, no, not just because it's Dave. The song is a drone which rises "like a wave" but remains on the same simple chord progression throughout, so because it's a drone, the "droning" looped drums suit the intent. They're tribal drums, which are by nature repetitive and trance-like.

Actually i'm all Jack here, did you hear some 95 japan(?) version , with a drum solo?

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I got your point though

No I haven't heard that. You asked about Dave, right?

The other thing is, that WMA drum loop get thicker and thicker throughout the song, as other drum loops are layered on top of it. It becomes a big wall of drum tracks, which is also really cool. They continued this influence on "Who You Are" with Jack.

harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:

taffer wrote:

harmless wrote:OK.

Hey guys, Matt is pretty great, carry on!

Matt Cameron Appreciation Thread

And one more question, what are you thinking about studio version of wma is it all right? that drum loop? No offense

Well yeah, it's pretty great. Is it a sampled loop? Possibly I can't remember. It's very well played though, and the song suits the loop.

Yeah i believe that has been recorded as a sampled loop, suits just cos of Dave playing?

_________
Thank you again for your honestly answers, i know i'm bit annoying

Um, no, not just because it's Dave. The song is a drone which rises "like a wave" but remains on the same simple chord progression throughout, so because it's a drone, the "droning" looped drums suit the intent. They're tribal drums, which are by nature repetitive and trance-like.

Actually i'm all Jack here, did you hear some 95 japan(?) version , with a drum solo?

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I got your point though

No I haven't heard that. You asked about Dave, right?

The other thing is, that WMA drum loop get thicker and thicker throughout the song, as other drum loops are layered on top of it. It becomes a big wall of drum tracks, which is also really cool. They continued this influence on "Who You Are" with Jack.

Yeah, the drums have sounded pretty live to my ears, the first time i heard wma i thought it's all live.

And actually i've never catch who you are album version drums, maybe thats just beyond me.

Betcha Jeff, Stone, Mike and Eddie are really appreciating Matt right now.

I always enjoy an article that has nice things to say about the fixer.

zeb wrote:11 Reasons To Love Matt Cameron

Harmless does not like this

I like Matt but I hate that they're listing "Given to Fly" as a reason to love him. Jack's version is full of character and nuance, Matt just flattens it out.

theplatypus wrote:I like Matt but I hate that they're listing "Given to Fly" as a reason to love him. Jack's version is full of character and nuance, Matt just flattens it out.

i thought that to be weird as well. however, id be interested in hearing Cameron record a studio take on it and hear some of the stuff that is often lost in live translation.

but yes, overall, Jack Irons is so beautiful on that track.

I also can't stand Matt's drumming on who you are. I just dont get it.

yup

to the surprise of probably no one, I prefer Matt's take on GTF

it is hard to compare a live version and a studio version, though

Strat wrote:I also can't stand Matt's drumming on who you are. I just dont get it.

Seriously, it's the most generic placeholder beat - so much so that Jeff starts playing In My Tree here before realising it's the wrong song:

Birds in Hell wrote:

Strat wrote:I also can't stand Matt's drumming on who you are. I just dont get it.

Seriously, it's the most generic placeholder beat - so much so that Jeff starts playing In My Tree here before realising it's the wrong song:

I heard that. I have a feeling Ament was fucking with him and pointing out how similar it is? I mean, they are talented musicians, they are pearl jam, but they are not mindless. Right?

I just dont understand it. What he does in jesus christ pose, he could easily come up with cymbal accents and a different tribal rhythm with who you are. Isn't he bored out of his fucking mind?

I wasn't aware of that, Spenno. It really is a placeholder. A demo beat, if you will. Matt isn't loose enough for a lot of Jack's material. Matt has his strengths, he also has his weaknesses.

I can't remember where, but there's an interview (which I'm sure I'm seriously paraphrasing) where Matt explained one of his biggest challenges coming into Pearl Jam has been adjusting his style to an environment where everything has to be subservient to the vocal, something that wasn't necessarily the case in Soundgarden or his other projects.

If that's the vibe the band has given him, and it's not hard to hear that his drumming for Pearl Jam seems a lot less intricate now than it was in 1998-2000, I think they're dead wrong. I'd love to see him cut loose more within the confines of Pearl Jam - both Abbruzzese's and Irons's playing had a significant impact on the overall sound of the band during their tenure behind the drums, I don't see any reason why that had to change for Matt (or had to after a while, anyway).

Birds in Hell wrote:I can't remember where, but there's an interview (which I'm sure I'm seriously paraphrasing) where Matt explained one of his biggest challenges coming into Pearl Jam has been adjusting his style to an environment where everything has to be subservient to the vocal, something that wasn't necessarily the case in Soundgarden or his other projects.

If that's the vibe the band has given him, and it's not hard to hear that his drumming for Pearl Jam seems a lot less intricate now than it was in 1998-2000, I think they're dead wrong. I'd love to see him cut loose more within the confines of Pearl Jam - both Abbruzzese's and Irons's playing had a significant impact on the overall sound of the band during their tenure behind the drums, I don't see any reason why that had to change for Matt (or had to after a while, anyway).

I remember that article and he definitely said that. I dont think thats the band telling him to drum that way i just think thats the nature of their writing. Irons and Dave A's drums were generally based around the rise and fall of the vocals. Its more standard song writing than Soundgarden. Matt holds back but I dont think he's approaching it differently. More often than not he just does not put his own stamp on it. At least not on the past 3 records or so but that may have more to do with the quality of the song in general.

stip wrote:to the surprise of probably no one, I prefer Matt's take on GTF

also, why the F doesn't mike use a phase on Given to Fly live? Worst.

Strat wrote:also, why the F doesn't mike use a phase on Given to Fly live? Worst.

That is a beautiful guitar sound. What a great performance that album version is.

I do see what they are saying about Matt's GTF on LO2L. He does hit it out of the park, and I'm a Jack fan. He lost the energy and feel soon after.