Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)

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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
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VinylGuy wrote:Im still convinced they pranked the studio with the movie, but looks beautiful and there were enough stuff to keep me interested. Also kudos to them for not making the same exact movie everyone else would have done.

Pranked the studio is a better take than trolled the fanbase.
I only care about this movie insofar as I hope all superhero movies fail at the box office…

But I’ve read elsewhere that they were rewriting pages for a given day’s shoots, and that Phoenix in particular was unhappy with the script and pushing for last-minute rewrites. Sounds like more of a clash of management/ego than anything intentional.
Isn’t burning a couple hundred million of studio money on a below-Speed-2 sequel that is nearly universally hated exactly what the Phoenix’s Joker would do?
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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People hate it so much that it kind of makes me want to see it ?
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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I'm just not really interested. I feel like the first was a nice, contained story. Not interested in ruining that for myself.

And I hate jukebox musicals.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:What makes this a “jukebox” musical? Like its songs from popular music?
It's my understanding that they are musicals that use pre-existing popular music, rather than music written specifically for the musical.

And from what I hear, most of the songs in this one don't even fit the story at all.
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they fit the story yes

guys if you want to keep talking bout it, maybe watch it?

Burt you just saw Atlas for christ sake, nothing here will harm you more than that
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VinylGuy wrote:they fit the story yes

guys if you want to keep talking bout it, maybe watch it?

Burt you just saw Atlas for christ sake, nothing here will harm you more than that
but I don't want to watch it!

plus, I saw This Is Me Now too, so I've had my fill of musicals for this month.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Some people say he over-acts, but I like him. He's just kind of annoying in real life.
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tragabigzanda wrote:Is it time to start questioning the validity of Joaquin’s fame? The Master notwithstanding, he’s been on a pretty bad streak for nearly 20 years.
what do you mean? feels the guy is at the top of his career
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tragabigzanda wrote:Is it time to start questioning the validity of Joaquin’s fame? The Master notwithstanding, he’s been on a pretty bad streak for nearly 20 years.

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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
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tragabigzanda wrote:Is it time to start questioning the validity of Joaquin’s fame? The Master notwithstanding, he’s been on a pretty bad streak for nearly 20 years.
what do you mean? feels the guy is at the top of his career
Look at the movies he’s picked ever since the Cash biopic. Lots of interesting roles in dogshit movies.
yeah but at the same time he has very good movies, or even kinda classics
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Joaquin Phoenix is trag's Amy Adams
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haha yes they have the same career haha for sure
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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