Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
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Isn’t burning a couple hundred million of studio money on a below-Speed-2 sequel that is nearly universally hated exactly what the Phoenix’s Joker would do?tragabigzanda wrote:I only care about this movie insofar as I hope all superhero movies fail at the box office…Bi_3 wrote:VinylGuy wrote:Im still convinced they pranked the studio with the movie, but looks beautiful and there were enough stuff to keep me interested. Also kudos to them for not making the same exact movie everyone else would have done.
Pranked the studio is a better take than trolled the fanbase.
But I’ve read elsewhere that they were rewriting pages for a given day’s shoots, and that Phoenix in particular was unhappy with the script and pushing for last-minute rewrites. Sounds like more of a clash of management/ego than anything intentional.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
People hate it so much that it kind of makes me want to see it ?
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
I'm just not really interested. I feel like the first was a nice, contained story. Not interested in ruining that for myself.
And I hate jukebox musicals.
And I hate jukebox musicals.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
It's my understanding that they are musicals that use pre-existing popular music, rather than music written specifically for the musical.tragabigzanda wrote:What makes this a “jukebox” musical? Like its songs from popular music?
And from what I hear, most of the songs in this one don't even fit the story at all.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
they fit the story yes
guys if you want to keep talking bout it, maybe watch it?
Burt you just saw Atlas for christ sake, nothing here will harm you more than that
guys if you want to keep talking bout it, maybe watch it?
Burt you just saw Atlas for christ sake, nothing here will harm you more than that
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but I don't want to watch it!VinylGuy wrote:they fit the story yes
guys if you want to keep talking bout it, maybe watch it?
Burt you just saw Atlas for christ sake, nothing here will harm you more than that
plus, I saw This Is Me Now too, so I've had my fill of musicals for this month.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Some people say he over-acts, but I like him. He's just kind of annoying in real life.
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what do you mean? feels the guy is at the top of his careertragabigzanda wrote:Is it time to start questioning the validity of Joaquin’s fame? The Master notwithstanding, he’s been on a pretty bad streak for nearly 20 years.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
tragabigzanda wrote:Is it time to start questioning the validity of Joaquin’s fame? The Master notwithstanding, he’s been on a pretty bad streak for nearly 20 years.
How dare you
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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yeah but at the same time he has very good movies, or even kinda classicstragabigzanda wrote:Look at the movies he’s picked ever since the Cash biopic. Lots of interesting roles in dogshit movies.VinylGuy wrote:what do you mean? feels the guy is at the top of his careertragabigzanda wrote:Is it time to start questioning the validity of Joaquin’s fame? The Master notwithstanding, he’s been on a pretty bad streak for nearly 20 years.
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Re: Joker- Folie a Deux (10-04-2024)
Joaquin Phoenix is trag's Amy Adams
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haha yes they have the same career haha for sure
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
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