Red Mosquito

Iholdthepain wrote:BTW, I like you, too. But it's mainly because of your avatar.

My avatar is easily the best thing I have going for me.

Lament wrote:It's cool, I'm just being a stickler. While neither opinion in the above scenario is wrong, neither is correct either. They're statements that are devoid of correct/incorrect values.

But whatever. I like you (so far), so I'll drop it.

So like...hair metal, bros. Right?

Honestly, if Pearl Jam made a straight up hair metal album in 2014, 95% of the dude-bro segment of the fanbase (which is a huge segment of the fanbase) would think it was the greatest thing ever. If they went out and covered Pour Some Sugar on Me or Welcome to the Jungle or Livin' on a Prayer at every show for the rest of their lives, most of this fanbase would fucking love it.

Yeah, I'm 95% sure that this is not true, or why you think this is true, or why you think it would have been the hair metal part of the fan base that was the most likely to gave stuck with them through the years given some of the music they were releasing. I mean, I'm sorry some drunk asshole tried to fight you at a show, but it happens. Drunk people are annoying and stupid

It has nothing to do with the hair metal segment of the early fanbase sticking with them through the past twenty years. Most genuine hair metal people I know hate Pearl Jam (though they account for some of the most die-hard MLB fans I've ever met). It's a commentary on the type of people that have gotten on board over the past several years.

You know damn well if Pearl Jam got on stage and did a sincere cover of Every Rose Has It's Thorn it would tear the roof of the place right now in a very non-ironic way. Pearl Jam live circa-today has become good time music for good time people for the most part. And good time people love hair metal, hence they'd love a Pearl Jam album drenched in hair metal cliches at this point.

Lament wrote:It has nothing to do with the hair metal segment of the early fanbase sticking with them through the past twenty years. Most genuine hair metal people I know hate Pearl Jam (though they account for some of the most die-hard MLB fans I've ever met). It's a commentary on the type of people that have gotten on board over the past several years.

You know damn well if Pearl Jam got on stage and did a sincere cover of Every Rose Has It's Thorn it would tear the roof of the place right now in a very non-ironic way. Pearl Jam live circa-today has become good time music for good time people for the most part. And good time people love hair metal, hence they'd love a Pearl Jam album drenched in hair metal cliches at this point.

stip wrote:Well, Every Rose Has Its Thorn IS a fantastic song

Lament wrote:It has nothing to do with the hair metal segment of the early fanbase sticking with them through the past twenty years. Most genuine hair metal people I know hate Pearl Jam (though they account for some of the most die-hard MLB fans I've ever met). It's a commentary on the type of people that have gotten on board over the past several years.

You know damn well if Pearl Jam got on stage and did a sincere cover of Every Rose Has It's Thorn it would tear the roof of the place right now in a very non-ironic way. Pearl Jam live circa-today has become good time music for good time people for the most part. And good time people love hair metal, hence they'd love a Pearl Jam album drenched in hair metal cliches at this point.

I'd probably hate a hair metal record, and I'd still pop for a cover like that. Not ironically, and not if it was an eyes closed totally sincere cover, but in a song comes on the jukebox in a bar sort of way. And no more than I would for a 70s classic rock standard.

But you got a long way to go between enjoying something like that and wanting an album full of them.

I like sirens for the big unabashed sentimentality of it, and it is one of eddies better old school belt it out performances I a long time. I like it despite, and not because, of the hair metal/80s pink Floyd roots, which I suspect is fairly common. I think for most people they had to get over the hair metal part to even get into sirens. That's why we had that phenomena we saw here of people hating the song at first and the pm getting sucked into it.

stip wrote:I like it despite, and not because, of the hair metal/80s pink Floyd roots, which I suspect is fairly common. I think for most people they had to get over the hair metal part to even get into sirens. That's why we had that phenomena we saw here of people hating the song at first and the pm getting sucked into it.

I would bet this was more of a RM/die-hard phenomenon than something that was present in most people who acquired the album. I'd put my money on most people who like it liking it pretty instantly because of the very things you'd had to fight through.

Well, the one thing we know for certain is that it is definitely no aye davanita

Do you think Sirens would have won if during the last tour it had developed a fist pump ritual at the end like Alive?

That, or if it had some finger counting.

Everyone should cup their hand to their ear when Ed sings "Hear the sirens."

A bunch of years ago (06 or 08, maybe) there was some website proposing some crazy Mary hand gestures. I couldn't even tell you if it was serious or not.

I can't believe that when Lightning Bolt came out we didn't have a thread dedicated to what hand gestures should be done for each of the new songs.

We really dropped the ball on this one.

Quick, someone figure out what lizards do with their hands while they're making love...

In which every Rose Had its Thorn was described as a fantastic song, nobody laughed it off, and it became that much harder to tell us apart from the Parrotheads.

McParadigm wrote:In which every Rose Had its Thorn was described as a fantastic song, nobody laughed it off, and it became that much harder to tell us apart from the Parrotheads.

i wonder if I actually said that. I don't think I did, but who the hell knows.

I loved the shit out of that song when I was in 8th grade and poison was my favorite band.

The quote was made-up, but real.

Lament wrote:It's cool, I'm just being a stickler. While neither opinion in the above scenario is wrong, neither is correct either. They're statements that are devoid of correct/incorrect values.

But whatever. I like you (so far), so I'll drop it.

So like...hair metal, bros. Right?

Honestly, if Pearl Jam made a straight up hair metal album in 2014, 95% of the dude-bro segment of the fanbase (which is a huge segment of the fanbase) would think it was the greatest thing ever. If they went out and covered Pour Some Sugar on Me or Welcome to the Jungle or Livin' on a Prayer at every show for the rest of their lives, most of this fanbase would fucking love it.

So what is being said is, if Pearl Jam were to sing Livin on a Prayer, the fans would fucking love it. But we all know they aren't gonna sing it. They aren't gonna sing it why? The answer is because they aren't hair metal. Instead they cover The Who or Uncle Neil. That was easy and we have cleared it up.

Now, this is basically a conversation that Pearl Jam isn't hair metal but the fans are. I think a lot of them in fact are hair metal party as much as humanly possible type people. Especially in the Boston area. Like 50% of that fan contingency use Pearl Jam concerts to party, they don't care much about the actual concert.

They did cover Van Halen and Kiss, didn't they?

Mine wrote:They did cover Van Halen and Kiss, didn't they?

That isn't Bon Jovi. Huge difference.

Fuck pearl jam.

The fact that they can barely even play Sirens might have had something to do with its downfall in the tourney.