Red Mosquito

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

EJ wrote:Why did Halbach's brother hack into her voicemail and delete message(s)?

yeah they didn't cover this enough.

No joke.

I think the brother probably had little to nothing to do with anything. But I do wonder about the ex. He was the one who actually hacked in and deleted the messages, right? Either way, dude seemed super strange. And why was he allowed on the property before anyone else? And why was no one all that interested in the scratches on his arms? The ex had more "defensive" type wounds on his body than Avery did. Not saying he did anything either. But he seems like a guy you MIGHT want to look into if you're an unbiased cop.

I thought it was unbelievable that the judge(who clearly wasn't above board during this) took away the defense's ability to propose alternative suspects for this crime other than Avery. It would have made it much easier to prove their case(not that they didn't anyway) if they could say "it was this guy" and prove it.

numbers wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

EJ wrote:Why did Halbach's brother hack into her voicemail and delete message(s)?

yeah they didn't cover this enough.

I figured the cops deleted them.

The ex admits on the stand that he deleted some messages.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:lol at the one prosecutor being involved in the sexual harassment/texting scandal.

Yeah, but you can't judge/question his character during the trial because of that, Ruddo.

no, I just think it is funny. just shows the general public and everyone in the town he lives in what a turd he is.

Sorry, that was a reference to something Kratz (the prosecutor) said recently regarding his behavior and the documentary. He's a fucking snake. And I can and will judge/question his character during that trial based on the scandal. Piece of shit, fatass, lying sack of no good fuckall.

I think Colborne(the cop with the glasses and flat top Mayberry hair) was the one I hated the most. When he bitched about his integrity being questioned I wanted to jump through the tv screen and strangle him.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:lol at the one prosecutor being involved in the sexual harassment/texting scandal.

Yeah, but you can't judge/question his character during the trial because of that, Ruddo.

no, I just think it is funny. just shows the general public and everyone in the town he lives in what a turd he is.

That went over your head, yea?

numbers wrote:I thought it was unbelievable that the judge(who clearly wasn't above board during this) took away the defense's ability to propose alternative suspects for this crime other than Avery. It would have made it much easier to prove their case(not that they didn't anyway) if they could say "it was this guy" and prove it.

That's one thing that really sucks about this case. Just like in the Adnan case. We're left with this weird thing just hanging in the air: if not him, who?

I don't believe Steve Avery killed Teresa Halbach. I don't think the police did, either. So a killer is still out there. Who really killed her? Is the crime already too far removed to find the truth?

To all the people who are digging this show: The Paradise Lost documentaries make this show look like a student film. watch them. I'm not saying this show is bad, just that Paradise Lost is phenomenal.

I think the defense tried to throw the ex out there as a suspect as much as they could without violating that ridiculous judge's ruling.

Dev wrote:To all the people who are digging this show: The Paradise Lost documentaries make this show look like a student film. watch them. I'm not saying this show is bad, just that Paradise Lost is phenomenal.

yea that is the craziest story of them all. Great doc's.

Dev wrote:To all the people who are digging this show: The Paradise Lost documentaries make this show look like a student film. watch them. I'm not saying this show is bad, just that Paradise Lost is phenomenal.

I've seen all three films. The first one, in particular is outstanding. But, yeah, all of them are great.

numbers wrote:I think the defense tried to throw the ex out there as a suspect as much as they could without violating that ridiculous judge's ruling.

You're probably right. Their hands were pretty tied because of that absurd and infuriating ruling.

EJ wrote:Why did Halbach's brother hack into her voicemail and delete message(s)?

because he works for the Packers

As far as I'm concerned, the entire state case was invalidated by that bus driver witness the defense called.

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:lol at the one prosecutor being involved in the sexual harassment/texting scandal.

Yeah, but you can't judge/question his character during the trial because of that, Ruddo.

no, I just think it is funny. just shows the general public and everyone in the town he lives in what a turd he is.

That went over your head, yea?

yes

durdencommatyler wrote:

numbers wrote:I thought it was unbelievable that the judge(who clearly wasn't above board during this) took away the defense's ability to propose alternative suspects for this crime other than Avery. It would have made it much easier to prove their case(not that they didn't anyway) if they could say "it was this guy" and prove it.

That's one thing that really sucks about this case. Just like in the Adnan case. We're left with this weird thing just hanging in the air: if not him, who?

I don't believe Steve Avery killed Teresa Halbach. I don't think the police did, either. So a killer is still out there. Who really killed her? Is the crime already too far removed to find the truth?

I don't think SA did it either. I didn't like Mike Halbach's unwavering belief that SA did it. His press conferences really came off creepy. I didn't like that her voicemail was tampered with by her ex (thanks for the clarification).

I don't think the police were involved in the killing either. But, once the car was clearly discovered by Colburn (his reading off of the plate numbers), he had a disgustingly plausible reason to frame him.

EJ wrote: But, once the car was clearly discovered by Colburn (his reading off of the plate numbers), he had a disgustingly plausible reason to frame him.

Yeah this part blew my mind.

EJ wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

numbers wrote:I thought it was unbelievable that the judge(who clearly wasn't above board during this) took away the defense's ability to propose alternative suspects for this crime other than Avery. It would have made it much easier to prove their case(not that they didn't anyway) if they could say "it was this guy" and prove it.

That's one thing that really sucks about this case. Just like in the Adnan case. We're left with this weird thing just hanging in the air: if not him, who?

I don't believe Steve Avery killed Teresa Halbach. I don't think the police did, either. So a killer is still out there. Who really killed her? Is the crime already too far removed to find the truth?

I don't think SA did it either. I didn't like Mike Halbach's unwavering belief that SA did it. His press conferences really came off creepy. I didn't like that her voicemail was tampered with by her ex (thanks for the clarification).

I don't think the police were involved in the killing either. But, once the car was clearly discovered by Colburn (his reading off of the plate numbers), he had a disgustingly plausible reason to frame him.

Exactly.

I think the doc and moreso the defense showed that they were out to get Avery. Clearly that car was planted on the property. CLEARLY. There's a fucking hole in the vile of blood. Old evidence was tampered with by someone. It's outrageous.

I can understand Mike's need to believe Avery did it. I can imagine a situation where someone I love is murdered and I'm so desperate for closure that I'd be blinded and believe the authorities. I can see that. It's not as surprising to me as the rest of it.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

EJ wrote: But, once the car was clearly discovered by Colburn (his reading off of the plate numbers), he had a disgustingly plausible reason to frame him.

Yeah this part blew my mind.

Totally!

My wife and I both jumped up from the couch at that point. Just flabbergasted.

durdencommatyler wrote:

EJ wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

numbers wrote:I thought it was unbelievable that the judge(who clearly wasn't above board during this) took away the defense's ability to propose alternative suspects for this crime other than Avery. It would have made it much easier to prove their case(not that they didn't anyway) if they could say "it was this guy" and prove it.

That's one thing that really sucks about this case. Just like in the Adnan case. We're left with this weird thing just hanging in the air: if not him, who?

I don't believe Steve Avery killed Teresa Halbach. I don't think the police did, either. So a killer is still out there. Who really killed her? Is the crime already too far removed to find the truth?

I don't think SA did it either. I didn't like Mike Halbach's unwavering belief that SA did it. His press conferences really came off creepy. I didn't like that her voicemail was tampered with by her ex (thanks for the clarification).

I don't think the police were involved in the killing either. But, once the car was clearly discovered by Colburn (his reading off of the plate numbers), he had a disgustingly plausible reason to frame him.

Exactly.

I think the doc and moreso the defense showed that they were out to get Avery. Clearly that car was planted on the property. CLEARLY.

You see, I don't think it's that clear-cut. What I think is much more probable is that he conducted an illegal search of the property and then told the search party where to look.