Red Mosquito

cutuphalfdead wrote:

mikejasond wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The issue here isn't even whether you like or dislike certain songs or anything like that, mjd. It's that you state these opinions based entirely on loose "feelings," offer very little in the way of substantial critique or explanation, then act indignant at the thought that anyone could disagree with you, even though we barely understand what you're trying to argue in the first place.

I thought "Garden" and "Deep" were fairly regarded as the two least popular songs on Ten, again which is why they almost never play them. If you disagree defend it. Do you not find Whipping to be fairly generic compared to the rest of the album?

Corduroy is probably the most "generic" sounding song on Vitalogy.

Dont see that at all. I point to Corduroy as perhaps Pearl Jam's most unique sounding song in their catalog. I don't think I've ever heard a song like it in my life, and it so encapsulates their sound on this album. It is THE song on this album.

Also, it may not be a good idea in PJ chat to have the thread title be your opinion. A lot of people have different opinions around here and just stating that they are wrong in the title of the thread isn't a good start.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Also, it may not be a good idea in PJ chat to have the thread title be your opinion. A lot of people have different opinions around here and just stating that they are wrong in the title of the thread isn't a good start.

Debating is fun, bring it on guys

mikejasond wrote:If you just listen to the hits you generally get the best of the best

Is this the clearest distillation of the Stip/Mikejasond school of music appreciation?

theplatypus wrote:

mikejasond wrote:If you just listen to the hits you generally get the best of the best

Is this the clearest distillation of the Stip/Mikejasond school of music appreciation?

yep

mikejasond wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

mikejasond wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The issue here isn't even whether you like or dislike certain songs or anything like that, mjd. It's that you state these opinions based entirely on loose "feelings," offer very little in the way of substantial critique or explanation, then act indignant at the thought that anyone could disagree with you, even though we barely understand what you're trying to argue in the first place.

I thought "Garden" and "Deep" were fairly regarded as the two least popular songs on Ten, again which is why they almost never play them. If you disagree defend it. Do you not find Whipping to be fairly generic compared to the rest of the album?

Corduroy is probably the most "generic" sounding song on Vitalogy.

Dont see that at all. I point to Corduroy as perhaps Pearl Jam's most unique sounding song in their catalog. I don't think I've ever heard a song like it in my life, and it so encapsulates their sound on this album. It is THE song on this album.

Help Help is pretty unique.

Again, LV beats me to the punch, but yeah, nobody's saying you're wrong for disliking the songs. That's fine. What's being called into question is your use of dubious terms and ideas like "filler" and "radio friendly" and whether or not songs are complete enough or have the requisite amount of energy.

You said yourself that in the making of an album there will be some songs that aren't as strong as others, but that doesn't make the lesser ones filler. They're not necessarily there just to pad the length. If you had concrete evidence that somebody said, "Hey, this Ten album is too short, how about we put that cute little "Garden" song on there?", then you would have a point.

whale song is pretty unique.

so is Arc.

And Barack Around the Clock.

And The Real Thing.

and fucking happy when i'm crying

cutuphalfdead wrote:and fucking happy when i'm crying

man I love that song.

cutuphalfdead wrote:and fucking happy when i'm crying

Pearl Jam Beign stoner rock.
Love that piece (used to hate it)

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:and fucking happy when i'm crying

man I love that song.

so much

cutuphalfdead wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:and fucking happy when i'm crying

man I love that song.

so much

my wife, who only really listens to PJ when I do, heard it the other day and really liked it.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:and fucking happy when i'm crying

man I love that song.

so much

my wife, who only really listens to PJ when I do, heard it the other day and really liked it.

it's a top 10 pearl jam song for me

Also, and this is for mjd and his friend, when my wife mentioned going to a PJ show with me, she was worried she would only hear "the hits". Even though that is all she really is familiar with, she said she wanted to hear songs that she wasn't familiar with, because "that is where a band shows how good they are live" (paraphrasing).

Ok, Corduroy is perhaps the most unique song in Pearl Jam's catalog that is also great.

Kevin Davis wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:By the way, mikejasond, RM has an expectation that, before you start a new topic, you search the entire board archive in case someone may have started a vaguely similar thread sometime in the last 3 years.

We don't want to turn into the Pit, KD.

I understand the preference for fewer threads. In this case I don't know that the existent thread would be easily found in the kind of cursory search that is reasonable to expect someone to perform. I also remember being a new poster and finding the militant obession with thread-merging kind of silly.

I cared a lot more back then

Brett wrote:

mikejasond wrote:I don't know how somebody would think "Garden" is a better song than "Even Flow". Its a good song but its just more of the same, and not as substantial.

Wanna know something really mind-blowing? I've never really been a big fan of the massive songs like "Even Flow" or "Alive." Even early on, I was more drawn to "Black," "Jeremy," and "Oceans" than the megahits (although "Jeremy" at least fits that category, too, but there's always seemed to be something off-kilter about it that attracted me).

In defense of mikejasond, given the fact that the majority of Ten's megahits fall in the front half of the album it's reasonable to say it is frontloaded.

These are not necessarily the best songs, but the ones most designed to be big, impactful, to stick with people.

Kevin Davis wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Kevin Davis wrote:By the way, mikejasond, RM has an expectation that, before you start a new topic, you search the entire board archive in case someone may have started a vaguely similar thread sometime in the last 3 years.

We don't want to turn into the Pit, KD.

I understand the preference for fewer threads. In this case I don't know that the existent thread would be easily found in the kind of cursory search that is reasonable to expect someone to perform. I also remember being a new poster and finding the militant obession with thread-merging kind of silly.

My post was actually in response to your comment, not so much his thread. I have no problem with creating a new thread if the subject doesn't already exist, but if it does, even if it was 3 years ago, could hold some valuable insight into others' opinions already.

I only have a problem with the thread title of this thread.