Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:50 am
It's too bad the protestors didn't just kill the Trump supporters.
They're also adults. This is a college, not a middle school.BurtReynolds wrote:Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.cutuphalfdead wrote:Now who's the authoritarian?BurtReynolds wrote:The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.cutuphalfdead wrote:Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.BurtReynolds wrote:The venue wanted him there.cutuphalfdead wrote:Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
They are STUDENTS.
Nor does it change mine. You'd rather protect illegal immigrants from imaginary danger than protect American citizens from actual, active violence. Because xenophobia!!!!!!!!!!!cutuphalfdead wrote:Whatever the protesters did doesn't change my point.PHATJ wrote:Then you aren't paying attention, and you haven't followed the story. Two words: pepper spray.cutuphalfdead wrote:I don't know what you're talking about.PHATJ wrote:So your imagined physical danger of illegal immigrants is more important to you that the real physical attacks that these deranged antifa assholes did to elderly people, women, and others? Brilliant.cutuphalfdead wrote:Just because one douche burnt a sign doesn't mean I think Berkeley should have let a bigot incite a crowd with his rhetoric and put undocumented immigrants in their community in very real physical danger.PHATJ wrote:Keep ignoring reality, it's really helping your cause.cutuphalfdead wrote:Oh, a meme. My bad.
What danger don't I want to protect American from now?PHATJ wrote:Nor does it change mine. You'd rather protect illegal immigrants from imaginary danger than protect American citizens from actual, active violence. Because xenophobia!!!!!!!!!!!cutuphalfdead wrote:Whatever the protesters did doesn't change my point.PHATJ wrote:Then you aren't paying attention, and you haven't followed the story. Two words: pepper spray.cutuphalfdead wrote:I don't know what you're talking about.PHATJ wrote:So your imagined physical danger of illegal immigrants is more important to you that the real physical attacks that these deranged antifa assholes did to elderly people, women, and others? Brilliant.cutuphalfdead wrote:Just because one douche burnt a sign doesn't mean I think Berkeley should have let a bigot incite a crowd with his rhetoric and put undocumented immigrants in their community in very real physical danger.PHATJ wrote:Keep ignoring reality, it's really helping your cause.cutuphalfdead wrote:Oh, a meme. My bad.
Illegal immigration does not hurt me. Not 1 bit.PHATJ wrote:Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.PHATJ wrote:It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?cutuphalfdead wrote:You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
I'm sure some of them are good people.Strat wrote:Illegal immigration does not hurt me. Not 1 bit.PHATJ wrote:Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.PHATJ wrote:It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?cutuphalfdead wrote:You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.cutuphalfdead wrote:Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
mmhmmmdigster wrote:This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.cutuphalfdead wrote:Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
Or it can be a judgment call. Maybe the school can listen to them, and then decide?BurtReynolds wrote:So? It's moronic to allow students much say in what they are allowed to hear at a school.cutuphalfdead wrote:They're also adults. This is a college, not a middle school.BurtReynolds wrote:Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.cutuphalfdead wrote:Now who's the authoritarian?BurtReynolds wrote:The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.cutuphalfdead wrote:Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.BurtReynolds wrote:The venue wanted him there.cutuphalfdead wrote:Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
They are STUDENTS.
That's how this ignorant safe space bullshit started in the first place.
Check your privilege.Strat wrote:Illegal immigration does not hurt me. Not 1 bit.PHATJ wrote:Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.PHATJ wrote:It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?cutuphalfdead wrote:You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
It's one or the other, chud. You can want to protect illegal immigrants from speakers trying to incite violence against them or you can condemn people who are committing violence. You can't do both.cutuphalfdead wrote:What danger don't I want to protect American from now?PHATJ wrote:Nor does it change mine. You'd rather protect illegal immigrants from imaginary danger than protect American citizens from actual, active violence. Because xenophobia!!!!!!!!!!!cutuphalfdead wrote:Whatever the protesters did doesn't change my point.PHATJ wrote:Then you aren't paying attention, and you haven't followed the story. Two words: pepper spray.cutuphalfdead wrote:I don't know what you're talking about.PHATJ wrote:So your imagined physical danger of illegal immigrants is more important to you that the real physical attacks that these deranged antifa assholes did to elderly people, women, and others? Brilliant.cutuphalfdead wrote:Just because one douche burnt a sign doesn't mean I think Berkeley should have let a bigot incite a crowd with his rhetoric and put undocumented immigrants in their community in very real physical danger.PHATJ wrote:Keep ignoring reality, it's really helping your cause.cutuphalfdead wrote:Oh, a meme. My bad.
This kind of seems like what you are doing? confusing this?BurtReynolds wrote:Except no one here is confusing those things here.digster wrote:This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.cutuphalfdead wrote:Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
Illegal immigrants help run my fucking town, keep me in business, and keep the rich people happy on their 5th vacation home.PHATJ wrote:Check your privilege.Strat wrote:Illegal immigration does not hurt me. Not 1 bit.PHATJ wrote:Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.PHATJ wrote:It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?cutuphalfdead wrote:You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.