Red Mosquito

surfndestroy wrote:

super nintendo chalmers wrote:I just weary of people wanting to be stars.

Where as I love people who have big dreams and work every day towards achieving them. Dream big, go hard.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Right, brosef?

Dreaming of rock glory is vapid and deluded. We all can't be astronauts. But create art, express yourself and be honest. The world doesn't need another Diamond Dave.

turned2black wrote:Is "wanting to be a rock star" the same as wanting to be successful? I'm not sure the Gaslight guys want to be stars as much as they simple want to make music for a living. If that means they have to navigate "corporate" record companies, that's OK by me.

Exactly, think thats where I'm going. When one decides their art will be their living. It becomes compromised. It's now a job.

Diamond Dave never let ideals get in the way of a good time.

What about non musician artists. Does this hold true to them as well or is this just a music rule. You seem to be the one hung up on image.

super nintendo chalmers wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

super nintendo chalmers wrote:I just weary of people wanting to be stars.

Where as I love people who have big dreams and work every day towards achieving them. Dream big, go hard.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Right, brosef?

Dreaming of rock glory is vapid and deluded. We all can't be astronauts. But create art, express yourself and be honest. The world doesn't need another Diamond Dave.

When I want to see the stars I'd much rather an astronaut be manning the helm than a bus driver.

TheDapperGent wrote:What about non musician artists. Does this hold true to them as well or is this just a music rule. You seem to be the one hung up on image.

are there hipster painters? sculpters?

Sure there are but not every dog is a poodle. And thank god for that.

TheDapperGent wrote:What about non musician artists. Does this hold true to them as well or is this just a music rule. You seem to be the one hung up on image.

Case in point, my son. He quite earnestly wants to be the best drummer of his generation. He acknowledges that if this dream comes true he'll be a rock star and have lots of money.

I'm pretty sure you can be a great and honest artist while making moeny at it. You're only a starving artist when people don't like or are indifferent to what you're creating.

surfndestroy wrote:

TheDapperGent wrote:What about non musician artists. Does this hold true to them as well or is this just a music rule. You seem to be the one hung up on image.

Case in point, my son. He quite earnestly wants to be the best drummer of his generation. He acknowledges that if this dream comes true he'll be a rock star and have lots of money.

I'm pretty sure you can be a great and honest artist while making moeny at it. You're only a starving artist when people don't like or are indifferent to what you're creating.

Well...that's what I'm arguing for lol.

TheDapperGent wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

TheDapperGent wrote:What about non musician artists. Does this hold true to them as well or is this just a music rule. You seem to be the one hung up on image.

Case in point, my son. He quite earnestly wants to be the best drummer of his generation. He acknowledges that if this dream comes true he'll be a rock star and have lots of money.

I'm pretty sure you can be a great and honest artist while making moeny at it. You're only a starving artist when people don't like or are indifferent to what you're creating.

Well...that's what I'm arguing for lol.

Sorry, I knew that. I was trying to agree with you.

super nintendo chalmers wrote:Exactly, think thats where I'm going. When one decides their art will be their living. It becomes compromised. It's now a job.

Wow! I... I... I... can think of some many artists that I love who do it for a living.

turned2black wrote:

super nintendo chalmers wrote:Exactly, think thats where I'm going. When one decides their art will be their living. It becomes compromised. It's now a job.

Wow! I... I... I... can think of some many artists that I love who do it for a living.

get real, no one loves their job

surfndestroy wrote:

TheDapperGent wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

TheDapperGent wrote:What about non musician artists. Does this hold true to them as well or is this just a music rule. You seem to be the one hung up on image.

Case in point, my son. He quite earnestly wants to be the best drummer of his generation. He acknowledges that if this dream comes true he'll be a rock star and have lots of money.

I'm pretty sure you can be a great and honest artist while making moeny at it. You're only a starving artist when people don't like or are indifferent to what you're creating.

Well...that's what I'm arguing for lol.

Sorry, I knew that. I was trying to agree with you.

Gotcha homie. I wasn't sure until now.

I like indie rock, but most of the good indie bands make it to the big time. My cousin is very indie oriented and listens to some artists that "keep it real". Well sometimes keeping it real can go wrong and many of those bands are barely listenable. Some of the indie sing songwriters I've heard him listen to couldn't write an infectious tune to save their lives.

Hey SNC, you mentioned seeing Cohen live a couple pages ago. Was that Leonard Cohen?

TheDapperGent wrote:I like indie rock, but most of the good indie bands make it to the big time. My cousin is very indie oriented and listens to some artists that "keep it real". Well sometimes keeping it real can go wrong and many of those bands are barely listenable. Some of the indie sing songwriters I've heard him listen to couldn't write an infectious tune to save their lives.

I don't even know where to begin with this. So instead here's an empty post expressing my bafflement.

Yeah, fantastic. The total opposite of seeing Dylan. Sometimes Bob has an attitude of "fuck you, these are my songs this is my band, like it or leave it. I'm fine with that. But Cohen said right off the bat "I'm giving you all I've got, bc I don't know when our paths will cross again". He played for over three hours backed by an impeccable band. Great night.

I think the set was pretty similar to the DVD that came out a few years ago.

theplatypus wrote:

TheDapperGent wrote:I like indie rock, but most of the good indie bands make it to the big time. My cousin is very indie oriented and listens to some artists that "keep it real". Well sometimes keeping it real can go wrong and many of those bands are barely listenable. Some of the indie sing songwriters I've heard him listen to couldn't write an infectious tune to save their lives.

I don't even know where to begin with this. So instead here's an empty post expressing my bafflement.

I'd name the singer/songwriters or groups but I don't even know who they are. A lot of it sounds like it was recorded onto a cassette. I think you really don't have a leg to stand on here. Your response was an easy one, especially since you don't know who I was talking about.

damnit we so seldom get new guests to this 4chanlike cesspool of the internet! I welcome all opinions!

TheDapperGent wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

TheDapperGent wrote:I like indie rock, but most of the good indie bands make it to the big time. My cousin is very indie oriented and listens to some artists that "keep it real". Well sometimes keeping it real can go wrong and many of those bands are barely listenable. Some of the indie sing songwriters I've heard him listen to couldn't write an infectious tune to save their lives.

I don't even know where to begin with this. So instead here's an empty post expressing my bafflement.

I'd name the singer/songwriters or groups but I don't even know who they are. A lot of it sounds like it was recorded onto a cassette. I think you really don't have a leg to stand on here. Your response was an easy one, especially since you don't know who I was talking about.

I'll start with the fact that you seem to be suggesting that in order to be considered "good", a tune has to be "infectious", which is troubling for a number of reasons (of the "artistic merit" variety, which I acknowledge has little to do with this conversation). Then there's the logic problem behind the statement "most of the good indie bands make it to the big time"-- this shows a poor understanding of 1- just how much music is being made available in the world, and 2- exactly what the "big time" is (by the very nature of "mainstream", a very slim, very select group of musicians-- so even if your assertion about "infectiousness" is correct, the statistical possibility of that music rising to public awareness is infimal by the sheer amount of music being produced in the world). Lastly, you seem to be ignoring the fact that there's a space carved out in the pop culture landscape for many musicians that are considered "unlistenable" by a big chunk of the population, even if just for novelty value-- see the relative popularity of "fringe acts" like Animal Collective.

BurtReynolds wrote:damnit we so seldom get new guests to this 4chanlike cesspool of the internet! I welcome all opinions!

Pull up a chair!

I feel like I outgrew the "it has to be indie to be real" phase at least 5 years ago. It was holding me back as a music fan and as a guitar player and songwriter myself it was holding back my writing as well.

I wouldn't even classify Leonard Cohen as indie. Dude has made a killing off his craft and rightfully so. More power to him. I wish it was possible for everyone to do what they love and live comfortably off it. Set yourself free of your ideals man! Get over yourself!

super nintendo chalmers wrote:Yeah, fantastic. The total opposite of seeing Dylan. Sometimes Bob has an attitude of "fuck you, these are my songs this is my band, like it or leave it. I'm fine with that. But Cohen said right off the bat "I'm giving you all I've got, bc I don't know when our paths will cross again". He played for over three hours backed by an impeccable band. Great night.

I think the set was pretty similar to the DVD that came out a few years ago.

Cohen was amazing live. I was at the O2 show that was released on DVD. I was everything I wanted and more.

As for Bob, I love Bob live. You never know what you're going to get and without expectations you're going to get your mind blown. His sets have become too predictable of late though.