TV: Girls

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[bodysnatcher]

I waited on Affleck and Garner once. She struck me as kind and polite; he struck me as the exact opposite.

I've never met either of them. But I have a few friends who have met Affleck. Not a single one of them has a nice thing to say about the guy. One of my friends actually watched him get super coked up in a club bathroom and then beat the shit out of a bartender. This was a long LONG time ago. Like, maybe before he and Garner were married.

Was this around the time he was the manager at Fashionable Male?

[epilogue]

For what it's worth, I like Hannah Horvath way more than I like Walter White.

I can not conceptualize any nexus of thought in which this makes sense.

Hannah is selfish and narcissistic and entitled. But she's also not 30 years old yet. Has tremendous talent and a positive self-image.

Walter Whit is selfish and narcissistic and entitled. But he's also in his 50s. Has a family to be held accountable to. Treated everyone around him like dirt. Oh, and was a psychopath. Even before he went all Heisenberg, he was an unlikable character. He was such a complete asshole. Terrible husband, terrible father, terrible friend. Used people to get what he wanted and the consequences were so much more extreme.

When has Hannah ever done anything approaching what Walt did to Skylar or to Hank or to Jesse?

I have a couple issues here. First, I don't know that Hanna is especially talented. She was accepted to that program in Iowa, and otherwise has written a bunch of useless content for the JCrew president. And I disagree that Walter started as an asshole. I think he was sort of pathetic, but I didn't think he became a real asshole until he started manipulating Jessie. I think most of his decisions in S1 were driven by a genuine fear of leaving his family penniless.

Hanna is born into great privelage, and has mostly been squandering it (I do agree with your self image statement). Walt has been passed over by life, and is trying to make up for lost time. Both characters do a lot of shitty things -- and obviously Walt's are way worse -- but I can at least understand why he does what he does. Hanna nonsense doesn't seem to accomplish anything, other than help her retain a sense of power over every moment of her life.

Getting accepted into Iowa is a huge deal. It's a massive, massive accomplishment.

Hanna is born into great privilege? She comes from a staunchly middle-class family. I'd hardly call that great privilege. She's a white American, so I guess if that's what you mean. She has definitely squandered the advances she's made, for sure. Iowa is a great example of that.

Walter was not passed over by life. Walter let his hubris and his arrogance and his entitlement get in the way of his life. He sabotaged himself. And I'm not talking about the meth, I'm talking about as early as Grey Matter. Walt absolutely did that to himself. And then he pissed and moaned and wined about life being taken away from him. He's squandered much more than Hannah has.

Yes, both make mistakes and have big character flaws. But again, Hannah's 25 and still has a lot of growing up to do. And, you're exactly right, her nonsense doesn't accomplish much. But what did Walter White accomplish? And how many people died and/or lost everything because of Walter?

[epilogue]

I waited on Affleck and Garner once. She struck me as kind and polite; he struck me as the exact opposite.

I've never met either of them. But I have a few friends who have met Affleck. Not a single one of them has a nice thing to say about the guy. One of my friends actually watched him get super coked up in a club bathroom and then beat the shit out of a bartender. This was a long LONG time ago. Like, maybe before he and Garner were married.

Was this around the time he was the manager at Fashionable Male?

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Mecca]

For what it's worth, I like Hannah Horvath way more than I like Walter White.

I can not conceptualize any nexus of thought in which this makes sense.

Hannah is selfish and narcissistic and entitled. But she's also not 30 years old yet. Has tremendous talent and a positive self-image.

Walter Whit is selfish and narcissistic and entitled. But he's also in his 50s. Has a family to be held accountable to. Treated everyone around him like dirt. Oh, and was a psychopath. Even before he went all Heisenberg, he was an unlikable character. He was such a complete asshole. Terrible husband, terrible father, terrible friend. Used people to get what he wanted and the consequences were so much more extreme.

When has Hannah ever done anything approaching what Walt did to Skylar or to Hank or to Jesse?

she once seriously said that checking current news on Gawker/Jezebel was important without a hint of irony.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

It's okay, trag. I was just stating an opinion. It's totally okay if you or anyone else likes Walt more. I get it. I just never liked him. Even when we were supposed to back in S1. He's always just been an awful person in my eyes.

Still, Cranston's performance was one for the ages. He managed to pull more than a few moments of great empathy out of Walt across those 5 seasons. I cared about him from time to time and rooted for him to do the right thing, sure. But I never much liked the man.

[epilogue]

I retract my argument based on a lot of good points Joey made.

(Though I do think Hannah was born into privelage. Didn't they cut her off in the pilot just so she would learn some fiscal responsibility?)

They did. But they've also talked about their financial situation. They're a comfortable middle class family. They aren't wealthy, privileged people.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

I retract my argument based on a lot of good points Joey made.

(Though I do think Hannah was born into privelage. Didn't they cut her off in the pilot just so she would learn some fiscal responsibility?)

They did. But they've also talked about their financial situation. They're a comfortable middle class family. They aren't wealthy, privileged people.

The middle class is dead, Joey.

I'm not sure what that has to do with this conversation. But it is a bummer, isn't it?

[Mecca]

"man squares are so lame" is the message i got from the whole fran debacle

[Mecca]

also, they totally destroyed Adam's arc in the finale. He was very together since getting acting gigs and especially taking care of the baby. Jessa might be the worst friend in the world despite her insistence that friends are all that matter.

[VinylGuy]

i loved this season..it really felt like the last one, so im not sure how i feel about another one right now. I mean, i want more..but right now i feel this would have been perfect.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Monkey_Driven]

i loved this season..it really felt like the last one, so im not sure how i feel about another one right now. I mean, i want more..but right now i feel this would have been perfect.

I agree.

[Biff Pocoroba]

Elijah had some great scenes in the last two episodes too; his breakup with Corey Stoll & both his scenes with Hannah's parents. The role is meant to be light & comedic but Rannels can turn on the acting chops when need be.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Monkey_Driven]

Elijah had some great scenes in the last two episodes too; his breakup with Corey Stoll & both his scenes with Hannah's parents. The role is meant to be light & comedic but Rannels can turn on the acting chops when need be.

Yeah, I liked that he had a chance to shine a bit. A bit character had one of the more satisfying season arcs.