Red Mosquito

His role was ball handler who knew what he was doing on the previous teams. Now with four guys who think they are God's gift to basketball and have to dominate possession he doesn't really serve a purpose. I mean, he could slash around out there I guess but his body looks done.

verb_to_trust wrote:His role was ball handler who knew what he was doing on the previous teams. Now with four guys who think they are God's gift to basketball and have to dominate possession he doesn't really serve a purpose. I mean, he could slash around out there I guess but his body looks done.

I don't think he's done. He still does a lot of the little things and is capable of elite defense at times. He is certainly on the decline though. I doubt they give him a huge offer after this season.

Round 1 goes to verb's Facebook enemy tonight.


Also, speaking of posters, Tyler Johnson got Lou Williams last night pretty nice.

Trade Jimmy now. For the love of God.

Anthony Bennett got waived again. What a bust and proof the Cavs are a joke of an organization without the King.

verb_to_trust wrote:Anthony Bennett got waived again. What a bust and proof the Cavs are a joke of an organization without the King.

Here are some players they could have picked instead:

Oladipo
Otto Porter
KCP
CJ McCollum
Steven Adams
Giannis
Dennis Schroder
Gorgui Deng
Allen Crabbe
Rudy Gobert
Andre Roberson

All guys starting or playing significant minutes.

God if the Celts had Rudy Gobert.

Some guy in Jimmy Butler's crew tweeted a picture of the Jordan's he is wearing tonight with some caption about a flu game because I guess JB is not feeling well. Because you know, he's had three good games and his team is now above .500 so he is basically on Jordan's level. I hope Westbrook smashes this cornball.

verb_to_trust wrote:Trade Jimmy now. For the love of God.

You're out of your mind. If the Bulls had been treating Jimmy like Lebron and surround him with shooters for the whole year and not just the last 5 games, Bulls would have been a lot better this year. Rondo sabotaged the first 30 games.

pnjguy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Trade Jimmy now. For the love of God.

You're out of your mind. If the Bulls had been treating Jimmy like Lebron and surround him with shooters for the whole year and not just the last 5 games, Bulls would have been a lot better this year. Rondo sabotaged the first 30 games.

They've missed in the draft every year since he was drafted and surrounded him with garbage. It's going to take at least 2-3 years to get the Bulls out of basketball hell. With Garpax....Add another year. By then Jimmy will be 30-31.

I understand fully it will not happen because the fans would revolt but the right thing to do is go completely cold blooded and tear down completely.

Also lol@treating Jimmy like Lebron. It's fine to treat him like an All Star, but probably not fine to treat him like the best player in the world.

If your argument is the Bulls just need to put their shooters out there and let Jimmy work then that's great....except the Bulls don't have shooters. It's true that benching Rondo has helped but as bad as Rondo has been even a good player at PG would have a negative impact on Jimmy and the team overall because Jimmy needs to be the center of the universe. He has a narrative he's working on here!!

Tl,Dr: The Bulls will probably be just fine if Jimmy can score 45 every night and dominate the ball in isolation.

verb_to_trust wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Trade Jimmy now. For the love of God.

You're out of your mind. If the Bulls had been treating Jimmy like Lebron and surround him with shooters for the whole year and not just the last 5 games, Bulls would have been a lot better this year. Rondo sabotaged the first 30 games.

They've missed in the draft every year since he was drafted and surrounded him with garbage. It's going to take at least 2-3 years to get the Bulls out of basketball hell. With Garpax....Add another year. By then Jimmy will be 30-31.

I understand fully it will not happen because the fans would revolt but the right thing to do is go completely cold blooded and tear down completely.

I'll use your same logic, the percentage you have to draft a guy like Jimmy Butler is less than 10%, with GarPax it's less than 5%. So by trading Butler, the chance you have to replace him is incredibly small. You build around that guy, not trade him.

Jimmy is not Lebron, but he should be playing the Lebron 'role' on the Bulls. Or the Harden 'role' for that matter. Basically he should be the point guard. And the numbers are reflecting that.

verb_to_trust wrote:Also lol@treating Jimmy like Lebron. It's fine to treat him like an All Star, but probably not fine to treat him like the best player in the world.

If your argument is the Bulls just need to put their shooters out there and let Jimmy work then that's great....except the Bulls don't have shooters. It's true that benching Rondo has helped but as bad as Rondo has been even a good player at PG would have a negative impact on Jimmy and the team overall because Jimmy needs to be the center of the universe. He has a narrative he's working on here!!

Tl,Dr: The Bulls will probably be just fine if Jimmy can score 45 every night and dominate the ball in isolation.

Regardless of what you're saying, Jimmy makes the right play most of the time with the ball in his hands and he rarely turns the ball over. Sounds like you're not a fan of Jimmy Butler because he's damn good and he knows it.

So good his team is mediocre as hell. So good when he declared himself LEADER last year his team missed the playoffs.

Jimmy could learn some things from a guy like Kawhi Leonard. Now that's an elite two way basketball player you build a team around. Remember when T2b was against the Spurs paying that guy?

verb_to_trust wrote:So good his team is mediocre as hell. So good when he declared himself LEADER last year his team missed the playoffs.

Jimmy could learn some things from a guy like Kawhi Leonard. Now that's an elite two way basketball player you build a team around. Remember when T2b was against the Spurs paying that guy?

So i guess Indiana should trade Paul George, Thunder should trade Westbrook, Pelicans should trade Davis because their teams are mediocre as hell? Rockets should have traded Harden last year too. Makes no sense.

He was never going to be the teams leader with Rose and Noah on the team. They're gone now and you add in a professional like Wade to help him out to be a true leader, the results are pretty clear.

I don't know what Kawhi Leonard has to do with trading Butler. Kawhi is great, and so is Jimmy.

pnjguy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:So good his team is mediocre as hell. So good when he declared himself LEADER last year his team missed the playoffs.

Jimmy could learn some things from a guy like Kawhi Leonard. Now that's an elite two way basketball player you build a team around. Remember when T2b was against the Spurs paying that guy?

He was never going to be the teams leader with Rose and Noah on the team. They're gone now and you add in a professional like Wade to help him out to be a true leader, the results are pretty clear.

The results are clear alright, clearly mediocre.

You make good points on those other guys but each situation is a little different. Some of those players are younger and some of those teams have more flexibility to get better quicker.

I brought up Leonard because he is legit great. He can be the best player on a championship team. Jimmy Butler can't be that guy. And he certainly isn't going to be that guy when he is 31 and the bulls are just starting to trend up again.

verb_to_trust wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:So good his team is mediocre as hell. So good when he declared himself LEADER last year his team missed the playoffs.

Jimmy could learn some things from a guy like Kawhi Leonard. Now that's an elite two way basketball player you build a team around. Remember when T2b was against the Spurs paying that guy?

He was never going to be the teams leader with Rose and Noah on the team. They're gone now and you add in a professional like Wade to help him out to be a true leader, the results are pretty clear.

The results are clear alright, clearly mediocre.

You make good points on those other guys but each situation is a little different. Some of those players are younger and some of those teams have more flexibility to get better quicker.

I brought up Leonard because he is legit great. He can be the best player on a championship team. Jimmy Butler can't be that guy. And he certainly isn't going to be that guy when he is 31 and the bulls are just starting to trend up again.

There is no material difference between Leonard and Butler where you would say trade one and not the other. One is a better 3 point shooter, the other is a better play maker, both play great defense. Seems to me you like Leonard more because he doesn't speak and Butler speaks too much.

Player A
PPG: 23.9
Reb: 5.8
Ast: 3.1
3PT%: 40.1
FT%: 91.6
STL: 1.9
TS%: 60.6
USG%: 30
AST/TO: 12.60

Player B
PPG: 25.6
Reb: 6.9
AST: 4.5
3PT%: 34.6
FT% 88.1
STL: 1.8
TS% 59.1
USG%: 27.9
AST/TO: 15.9

Leonard is a better player hands down and he's 3 years younger. It's not even a debate.

verb_to_trust wrote:Leonard is a better player hands down and he's 3 years younger. It's not even a debate.

1) He's 2 years younger.

2) That's not the argument, the answer is you don't trade either of them for draft picks.