Red Mosquito

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:Here's a question. Was the light speed kamikaze attack the most striking visual effect in Star Wars history?

Not even close.

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I think it’s easy to lose sight of how revolutionary and influential the previous SW movies were. Lucas created a space opera that was more breathless and seamless than any movies previously seen. The visual effects of the OT were frontier filmmaking. How could anything in TLJ even hope to match the simple sight of seeing a lightsaber ignite for the first time?

From a historical standpoint absolutely. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But looking with 2017 eyes

With modern eyes? I’d say there are loads of images in Rogue One that blow this away. The Star Destroyer cruising away from the shadow-drenched Death Star, the destruction of a planet the characters are still on - Johnson is nowhere near Edwards’s level visually, or in terms of special effects.

daft twat wrote:

stip wrote:

daft twat wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

In RotJ, Luke was sacrificing his life for the small chance he could save his father. I don't believe the same person would then even for a second think about murdering his nephew in his sleep because he sees darkness in him. Even if I could be convinced the Dark Side is just that powerful, no way Luke just runs and hides, waiting to die in peace he doesn't deserve. He would spend his remaining days trying to right his wrong, trying to save his sister's son. And then the formerly Puritan-dry farm boy spent decades of isolation developing a really sarcastic sense of humor after ruining multiple lives. Who gives a shit if he's powerful or got to look at 2 goddam suns when he died? Subjectively, I think Rian got Luke waaaaay wrong, and that's why despite liking a lot about the movie, I hate it. When it's finally run its course at the b.o. or on dvd, I expect Mark will express similar displeasure. Again.

This is a really good point

That point assumes that Luke was never conflicted, never had doubts, never wondered if it would be easier. Hell, he has a whole DUEL against the father he is trying to save, and comes seconds away from striking him down in anger. Hell, he probably would have done it if the emperor hadn't overplayed his hand by goading him. Luke's power comes from making the right decision in the end, not from always being perfect.

And there is nothing in Luke's life that, in terms of mental trauma, comes close to what Luke experiences with the Kylo's fall, the death of his students, etc.


But while I disagree with you, that is a worthwhile argument made by referencing the existing texts and drawing a plausible interpretation from them. I think it's less interesting than what they did (and denies the character any room for further growth),and I don't share that interpretation of the character, but it makes sense and is thoughtful.


And I WISH I've seen it 5-6 times already. I can't fucking wait. I've almost gone out every night since Friday to see it again. Tomorrow, though

What about finding out Vader was his father? Or watching Ben die? Finding his aunt and uncle's charred bodies? The cave on Dagobah? He'd seen some shit.

He freaked out when Ben died and almost ruined their escape, and tried to kill himself when he found out about Vader. And the cave was a failure. Luke has a history of overreacting

In A New Hope and Empire, yes. But he grew. And he reacted. He didn't run away.

I also don't believe he was trying to kill himself in Empire. He might have been, but his face when he let go seemed like he knew he wasn't about to die.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:the destruction of a planet the characters are still on

Whitey McTeeth wrote:Christ, frankly I'm scared shitless of watching this movie now.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This movie is ugly

Anders wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

daft twat wrote:Here is the one thing I can't get past if it's okay to not like the movie despite several RM heavyweights loving it (or convincing themselves they do after 5 or 6 viewings):

See, Anders, this is what arrogant and insulting looks like.

I actually read it as a joke, based on some comments in this thread indicating that those that didn't like the movie just didn't get it or understand what the movie was trying to achieve, didn't have the necessary comprehension skills and were so simple that they wanted a one dimensional movie, or possibly they were just old fanboys that always need something to complain about.

VinylGuy wrote:I like the idea of Snoke being this big badass jedi who nobody really knows.

durdencommatyler wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I like the idea of Snoke being this big badass jedi who nobody really knows.

Me too. It'll be interesting to see how he's fleshed out in supplemental material.

Anders wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I like the idea of Snoke being this big badass jedi who nobody really knows.

Me too. It'll be interesting to see how he's fleshed out in supplemental material.

Agreed. Died too casually for my taste, but there’s a good story to be told there.

VinylGuy wrote:I wont be surprised if he comes back too.

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I wont be surprised if he comes back too.

Maybe he comes back as a force ghost with Luke and taunts the shit out of Ben Solo for the entire movie.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I wont be surprised if he comes back too.

Maybe he comes back as a force ghost with Luke and taunts the shit out of Ben Solo for the entire movie.

Dark Siders can't be Force Ghosts, Strat! Jeeez, like, have you ever even Star Warsed?!!!!!

VinylGuy wrote:I wont be surprised if he comes back too.

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I wont be surprised if he comes back too.

Maybe he comes back as a force ghost with Luke and taunts the shit out of Ben Solo for the entire movie.

Dark Siders can't be Force Ghosts, Strat! Jeeez, like, have you ever even Star Warsed?!!!!!

Yea, but is he truly dark?! Hmm?? We know little to nothing about him!

Kaius wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I wont be surprised if he comes back too.

I think it's likely that he will return, only slightly more deformed. I mean, hell, he looks like he has suffered severe injuries before.