Red Mosquito

And to continue, it felt like JJ had to say "well shit, that asshole Rian killed Snoke, so now I need a bad guy. Fuck it, let's just bring back Palpatine, I can't think of someone better.

Other than that, decent movie. The pace was a little jarring, but better than TLJ

E.H. Ruddock wrote:And to continue, it felt like JJ had to say "well shit, that asshole Rian killed Snoke, so now I need a bad guy. Fuck it, let's just bring back Palpatine, I can't think of someone better.

That is 1000% exactly what happened.

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Top 3 "fuck you Rian" moments:

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1. Rose Tico getting Jar Jarred into oblivion.
2. Rebellion destroyed? nah, they're fine. Status quo.
3. Rey's parents being nobody important? lol no we ain't doing that. (and fuck you if you think this was planned all along)

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Oh my god did you even watch the movie. The entire rebellion wasn’t destroyed. and they sent a signal out at the end of last Jedi. Then they arrived when the resistance figured out how to defeat the million flying Death Stars and sent the signal out.

Also within the year time frame Poe and his squadrons were roaming the galaxy finding people to join them

Look - it’s not perfect but it’s in the Fucking movie.

hah yes yes there are always more bodies. More star destroyers. more returning characters. Because none of this matters and its all very stupid, but hey, a line of dialogue explains it all away, right? ItS IN the mOvIe

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Imagine after 36 years, going back to one of the greatest trilogies of our time and saying "jk, that ending didn't really happen"

Well, it happened, but Vader really sacrificed himself to just save his son and not kill his master. Though he tried!

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Then his master survived and eventually killed his nephew, but then not, but then did.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Imagine after 36 years, going back to one of the greatest trilogies of our time and saying "jk, that ending didn't really happen"

But it did happen ! The story just grew from there. Nothing is ever really over my friend

Oh come on. That ending was meant to have Vader being redeemed by killing Palpatine. It's over.

But that still happened. Vader was redeemed.

Also,

Spoiler: show

and this is the movies fault and one I take issue with: they didn’t explain what this palpatine was. He was hooked up to weird machines and talks about all sith living within him. He ends up sucking the life force from Reylo. So my assumption is he’s not actually palpatine but some sort of force energy of the sith. This should have been explained.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Top 3 "fuck you Rian" moments:

Spoiler: show

1. Rose Tico getting Jar Jarred into oblivion.
2. Rebellion destroyed? nah, they're fine. Status quo.
3. Rey's parents being nobody important? lol no we ain't doing that. (and fuck you if you think this was planned all along)

Spoiler: show

Oh my god did you even watch the movie. The entire rebellion wasn’t destroyed. and they sent a signal out at the end of last Jedi. Then they arrived when the resistance figured out how to defeat the million flying Death Stars and sent the signal out.

Also within the year time frame Poe and his squadrons were roaming the galaxy finding people to join them

Look - it’s not perfect but it’s in the Fucking movie.

hah yes yes there are always more bodies. More star destroyers. more returning characters. Because none of this matters and its all very stupid, but hey, a line of dialogue explains it all away, right? ItS IN the mOvIe

Are you done yet Burt ? Or do you have anything of value? I know you like to believe you’ve sat in at all the important round table discussions in life but ...

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Top 3 "fuck you Rian" moments:

Spoiler: show

1. Rose Tico getting Jar Jarred into oblivion.
2. Rebellion destroyed? nah, they're fine. Status quo.
3. Rey's parents being nobody important? lol no we ain't doing that. (and fuck you if you think this was planned all along)

Spoiler: show

Oh my god did you even watch the movie. The entire rebellion wasn’t destroyed. and they sent a signal out at the end of last Jedi. Then they arrived when the resistance figured out how to defeat the million flying Death Stars and sent the signal out.

Also within the year time frame Poe and his squadrons were roaming the galaxy finding people to join them

Look - it’s not perfect but it’s in the Fucking movie.

hah yes yes there are always more bodies. More star destroyers. more returning characters. Because none of this matters and its all very stupid, but hey, a line of dialogue explains it all away, right? ItS IN the mOvIe

Are you done yet Burt ? Or do you have anything of value? I know you like to believe you’ve sat in at all the important round table discussions in life but ...

please calm down.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Top 3 "fuck you Rian" moments:

Spoiler: show

1. Rose Tico getting Jar Jarred into oblivion.
2. Rebellion destroyed? nah, they're fine. Status quo.
3. Rey's parents being nobody important? lol no we ain't doing that. (and fuck you if you think this was planned all along)

Spoiler: show

Oh my god did you even watch the movie. The entire rebellion wasn’t destroyed. and they sent a signal out at the end of last Jedi. Then they arrived when the resistance figured out how to defeat the million flying Death Stars and sent the signal out.

Also within the year time frame Poe and his squadrons were roaming the galaxy finding people to join them

Look - it’s not perfect but it’s in the Fucking movie.

hah yes yes there are always more bodies. More star destroyers. more returning characters. Because none of this matters and its all very stupid, but hey, a line of dialogue explains it all away, right? ItS IN the mOvIe

Are you done yet Burt ? Or do you have anything of value? I know you like to believe you’ve sat in at all the important round table discussions in life but ...

please calm down.

Be a grown man. Fuck off or actually have a decent conversation here. You and tree are Fucking exhausting.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Couple other things that are bothering me about this the more I think about it...

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-The Mcguffins. Wayfinders and daggers belong in Indiana Jones or National Treasure. It was exposition for exposition sake. The dagger aligning with Death Star outline seemed weird for a SW film.
-The 16 hour countdown to the fleet being raised was brought up and mentioned, but there didn't seem to be a looming threat. Characters were able to go from one world to another and make all kinds of choices within that window.

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To your first point, I liked all of that stuff, actually. It added something new while also calling back to Lucas' childhood inspirations that I thought gave the thing real life. I'm bummed that they called them Wayfinders instead of Holocrons, though.

To your second point... yeah, I have a feeling this kind of stuff is gonna be the thing I have the biggest issue with over time, too. To be fair, SW has a history of timeline shit and plans that don't quite make sense (RotJ, I'm looking at you!). Hopefully it doesn't grow into something big enough to ruin the thing for me. But I admit it's weird.

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Maybe I would have tolerated the wayfinders more if there wasn't so many other things to cover in this movie. Might have helped with the dizzying pace.

Yeah, that's fair.

I will say I didn't find the pace as dizzying as you did. Still, yours is a valid criticism.

Palpatine: «I’ve been dead before.»

durdencommatyler wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:Couple other things that are bothering me about this the more I think about it...

Spoiler: show

-The Mcguffins. Wayfinders and daggers belong in Indiana Jones or National Treasure. It was exposition for exposition sake. The dagger aligning with Death Star outline seemed weird for a SW film.
-The 16 hour countdown to the fleet being raised was brought up and mentioned, but there didn't seem to be a looming threat. Characters were able to go from one world to another and make all kinds of choices within that window.

Spoiler: show

To your first point, I liked all of that stuff, actually. It added something new while also calling back to Lucas' childhood inspirations that I thought gave the thing real life. I'm bummed that they called them Wayfinders instead of Holocrons, though.

To your second point... yeah, I have a feeling this kind of stuff is gonna be the thing I have the biggest issue with over time, too. To be fair, SW has a history of timeline shit and plans that don't quite make sense (RotJ, I'm looking at you!). Hopefully it doesn't grow into something big enough to ruin the thing for me. But I admit it's weird.

Spoiler: show

Maybe I would have tolerated the wayfinders more if there wasn't so many other things to cover in this movie. Might have helped with the dizzying pace.

Yeah, that's fair.

I will say I didn't find the pace as dizzying as you did. Still, yours is a valid criticism.

They definitely could have gone to less places. Everything that happened in the desert could have been done on zorys (err whatever) planet. Let the tension and journey build there.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Imagine after 36 years, going back to one of the greatest trilogies of our time and saying "jk, that ending didn't really happen"

But it did happen ! The story just grew from there. Nothing is ever really over my friend

Oh come on. That ending was meant to have Vader being redeemed by killing Palpatine. It's over.

But don't you think it's the action itself that is the redemption and not the result? Siding with Luke and taking the action to (even potentially) kill the Emperor is the same. He turned. He took action. He THOUGHT he killed him. The intent matters. What was in his heart/mind matters here. Whatever the ultimate result.

Anders wrote:Palpatine: «I’ve been dead before.»

If your character says he's been dead before, he hasn't really died.

I think the pace felt a little hectic the first time, but not today. Now the pace reminded me of The Force Awakens.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:Palpatine: «I’ve been dead before.»

If your character says he's been dead before, he hasn't really died.

Not true.

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Top 3 "fuck you Rian" moments:

Spoiler: show

1. Rose Tico getting Jar Jarred into oblivion.
2. Rebellion destroyed? nah, they're fine. Status quo.
3. Rey's parents being nobody important? lol no we ain't doing that. (and fuck you if you think this was planned all along)

Spoiler: show

Oh my god did you even watch the movie. The entire rebellion wasn’t destroyed. and they sent a signal out at the end of last Jedi. Then they arrived when the resistance figured out how to defeat the million flying Death Stars and sent the signal out.

Also within the year time frame Poe and his squadrons were roaming the galaxy finding people to join them

Look - it’s not perfect but it’s in the Fucking movie.

hah yes yes there are always more bodies. More star destroyers. more returning characters. Because none of this matters and its all very stupid, but hey, a line of dialogue explains it all away, right? ItS IN the mOvIe

Are you done yet Burt ? Or do you have anything of value? I know you like to believe you’ve sat in at all the important round table discussions in life but ...

please calm down.

Be a grown man. Fuck off or actually have a decent conversation here. You and tree are Fucking exhausting.

what were your top 3 "fuck you Rian" moments?

BurtReynolds wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:And to continue, it felt like JJ had to say "well shit, that asshole Rian killed Snoke, so now I need a bad guy. Fuck it, let's just bring back Palpatine, I can't think of someone better.

That is 1000% exactly what happened.

Please tell us more about those meetings you were in with Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams. I'd love the inside scoop!

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Imagine after 36 years, going back to one of the greatest trilogies of our time and saying "jk, that ending didn't really happen"

But it did happen ! The story just grew from there. Nothing is ever really over my friend

Oh come on. That ending was meant to have Vader being redeemed by killing Palpatine. It's over.

But that still happened. Vader was redeemed.

Also,

Spoiler: show

and this is the movies fault and one I take issue with: they didn’t explain what this palpatine was. He was hooked up to weird machines and talks about all sith living within him. He ends up sucking the life force from Reylo. So my assumption is he’s not actually palpatine but some sort of force energy of the sith. This should have been explained.

Re: your spoiler. That's true, could be some weird thing going on where it really isn't the true Palpatine

Anders wrote:I think the pace felt a little hectic the first time, but not today. Now the pace reminded me of The Force Awakens.

That's what I'm hoping for with my second viewing.