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evenslow wrote:How do you not warm up your voice for a heavily promoted performance at the end of PEARL JAM WEEK on a major network?

Ed don't give no fuck!

southp wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:I hope they play MYM and Getaway in SNL.

Was there confirmation of an SNL appearance?

Nope.

Strat wrote:

evenslow wrote:How do you not warm up your voice for a heavily promoted performance at the end of PEARL JAM WEEK on a major network?

Ed don't give no fuck!

Either that or the shitty youtube audio quality has me thinking he's better than he actually was. It's very difficult to go from sounding hoarse to singing so well (or vice versa) unless he sounded hoarse because of some temporary issue, i.e. not warming up. Still not sure if Fallon was recorded after this show or before. If it's after, maybe Ed was just exhausted. Though it's still a big difference for a day or two.

I think youtube and audience videos in general can cover up issues that may be more apparent on a cleaner recording like Fallon's. The room, as well as the sound quality on the video lets our minds plug the gaps a bit.

that's true. On the other hand, the audience copies often add some of the intangibles that get swept out of the cleaner recordings.

That was kind of what I meant (my post was worded pretty poorly). I think it's easier to spot the problems on a show like Fallon than from a IPhone recording on youtube.

For the last several years, I've thought Ed has sounded a bit off in TV performances. Then on second and third listen, it starts to sound better. By about the fifth time I think he sounds pretty good. So I think my nerves of wanting him to sound great, fucks with my head. I didn't think Sirens sounded very good but now I think it sounds just fine. Weird I know.

Just imagine how the 43rd time through will sound.

gems and rhinestones wrote:For the last several years, I've thought Ed has sounded a bit off in TV performances. Then on second and third listen, it starts to sound better. By about the fifth time I think he sounds pretty good. So I think my nerves of wanting him to sound great, fucks with my head. I didn't think Sirens sounded very good but now I think it sounds just fine. Weird I know.

I don't know about sounding better over time, but in general a TV performance sounds like crap on a TV, but if you run your audio through a receiver or home theatre then it will sound much fuller with more power behind the guitars/bass.

evenslow wrote:Just imagine how the 43rd time through will sound.

stip wrote:that's true. On the other hand, the audience copies often add some of the intangibles that get swept out of the cleaner recordings.

I know we've done this to death, but intangibles in this context really means a mix of reverb, volume and simply hearing what your brain expects to hear.

What you hear on something like Fallon or the official boots is the most accurate representation of how Ed actually sung when all those other things are removed.

I haven't really listened to the Sirens performance but Ed's voice certainly is a lot weaker in some respects than it once was, there's no sense pretending otherwise.

digster wrote:I think youtube and audience videos in general can cover up issues that may be more apparent on a cleaner recording like Fallon's. The room, as well as the sound quality on the video lets our minds plug the gaps a bit.

This, basically.

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:that's true. On the other hand, the audience copies often add some of the intangibles that get swept out of the cleaner recordings.

I know we've done this to death, but intangibles in this context really means a mix of reverb, volume and simply hearing what your brain expects to hear.

What you hear on something like Fallon or the official boots is the most accurate representation of how Ed actually sung when all those other things are removed.

I haven't really listened to the Sirens performance but Ed's voice certainly is a lot weaker in some respects than it once was, there's no sense pretending otherwise.

digster wrote:I think youtube and audience videos in general can cover up issues that may be more apparent on a cleaner recording like Fallon's. The room, as well as the sound quality on the video lets our minds plug the gaps a bit.

This, basically.

this may sound stupid but hopefully you know what I mean. How ed physically sounded is only part of the experience. An important part for sure. Obviously the most important part. But not the only part.

Rank the metaphysical parts of the experience.

Even taking into account how youtube performances may not be an accurate reflection of how Ed actually sung, you can hear him sound much better than he did on Fallon. He sounded very hoarse there and no matter how distorted the audio may get on phone recordings, the hoarseness can't be completely concealed. There are similar recordings of him on youtube where he does sound hoarse. I'm not judging the performance because this isn't a good enough quality recording but I can at least hear how he sounds. And it's a mystery to me how different it is from Fallon.

I thought he sounded worse on Lightning Bolt.

theplatypus wrote:Rank the metaphysical parts of the experience.

Release_Me wrote:Even taking into account how youtube performances may not be an accurate reflection of how Ed actually sung, you can hear him sound much better than he did on Fallon. He sounded very hoarse there and no matter how distorted the audio may get on phone recordings, the hoarseness can't be completely concealed. There are similar recordings of him on youtube where he does sound hoarse. I'm not judging the performance because this isn't a good enough quality recording but I can at least hear how he sounds. And it's a mystery to me how different it is from Fallon.

air conditioning/dry air?

jesus christ what the fuck are you people even talking about?

Ed sounded bad on TV but we're still trying to determine in what way, and on which song he sounded worse.

harmless wrote:Ed sounded bad on TV but we're still trying to determine in what way, and on which song he sounded worse.

I think I already posted this, but in all seriousness I have seen so many bands do bad TV appearances, and I think it's because of 2 reasons:

1) It's just one song. The singer has no chance to really warm up. At many concerts, the singer is often warming up during the first song or 2. If you look at the opening song or 2 on most PJ set lists, the songs are probably ideal songs for Ed to warm up his voice, before getting to the songs that push his voice's limits.

2) TV studio climate. I believe that most TV studios are usually purposely cold. The reason that I've heard before, is that it prevents the hosts/guest from sweating off make up and looking all shiny. It also prevents the audience from getting too comfortable and falling asleep during the slow/boring parts of the show.