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Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 8:07 pm
by verb_to_trust
That is so ridiculous.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 8:09 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
verb_to_trust wrote:That is so ridiculous.
That's for damn sure

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 9:47 pm
by Birds in Hell
stip wrote:at the time it was very important to take sides. I loved both bands, but you had to line up behind one of them.

Obviously this is impossibly stupid in retrospect
Perhaps I was slightly too young to recognise it at the time, but I don't think this attitude ever really carried across to Australia.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 10:05 pm
by digster
stip wrote:at the time it was very important to take sides. I loved both bands, but you had to line up behind one of them.

Obviously this is impossibly stupid in retrospect
I feel like it's still present to some degree. Nirvana always has a much more negative reaction in the PJ fanbase than anywhere else, at least from my experience.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 10:27 pm
by Lament
digster wrote:
stip wrote:at the time it was very important to take sides. I loved both bands, but you had to line up behind one of them.

Obviously this is impossibly stupid in retrospect
I feel like it's still present to some degree. Nirvana always has a much more negative reaction in the PJ fanbase than anywhere else, at least from my experience.
Without a doubt. There are a lot of Pearl Jam fans who for some reason have a big chip on their shoulders regarding Nirvana. I always get the impression though that a lot of those types of fans weren't even fans when there was a "feud" but rather came into the fold post-Kurt's death.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 10:27 pm
by Kevin Davis
Only at the rarest of times do we get to see popular music perfectly mirror professional wrestling. We're fortunate to be able to claim that our band was there for one of those times.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 10:44 pm
by Lament
Kevin Davis wrote:Only at the rarest of times do we get to see popular music perfectly mirror professional wrestling. We're fortunate to be able to claim that our band was there for one of those times.
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Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 11:03 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 11:08 pm
by Lament
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?
There's some really cringe-inducing stuff from the whole Kurt-Ed thing. Perhaps the worst though were Ed's comments in the aftermath of Kurt's death about how he always thought he'd go first. Ugh. So tasteless.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Sun July 14, 2013 11:58 pm
by VinylGuy
dimejinky99 wrote:I relate totally to Stips point about having to pick sides at the time.
When the news broke of Kurts death, nirvana fans here gathered in the Phoenix park and burned pearl jam t shirts, chanting 'why couldn't it had been vedder'
I'm not kidding.
fuck i remember that!! most of that feud was made by the media with Cobain following their game..just him, not dave or krist... I still think he was pretty stupid in terms of fame, music, etc...pretty cynical and Hipocrit.
I liked Jeff´s views in the pj20 book about the whole thing.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Mon July 15, 2013 3:38 am
by Fuzzcharger
stip wrote:at the time it was very important to take sides. I loved both bands, but you had to line up behind one of them.

Obviously this is impossibly stupid in retrospect
I DO remember this. I was very much in the Nirvana camp. Football guys liked VS, y'know what I'm saying.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Mon July 15, 2013 3:49 am
by spike
Fuzzcharger wrote:
stip wrote:at the time it was very important to take sides. I loved both bands, but you had to line up behind one of them.

Obviously this is impossibly stupid in retrospect
I DO remember this. I was very much in the Nirvana camp. Football guys liked VS, y'know what I'm saying.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Mon July 15, 2013 8:29 pm
by Anders
Nice video. :)

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:21 am
by Aliveguy
Lament wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?
There's some really cringe-inducing stuff from the whole Kurt-Ed thing. Perhaps the worst though were Ed's comments in the aftermath of Kurt's death about how he always thought he'd go first. Ugh. So tasteless.

Eddie's not really a beacon of good taste or common sense. He's a good singer and was a brilliant lyricist, when he's not getting all bent out of shape about political issues that he doesn't fully comprehend.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:22 am
by Thejambi
Aliveguy wrote:
Lament wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?
There's some really cringe-inducing stuff from the whole Kurt-Ed thing. Perhaps the worst though were Ed's comments in the aftermath of Kurt's death about how he always thought he'd go first. Ugh. So tasteless.

Eddie's not really a beacon of good taste or common sense. He's a good singer and was a brilliant lyricist, when he's not getting all bent out of shape about political issues that he doesn't fully comprehend.
I genuinely think he was saddened by Cobain's death.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:26 am
by Lament
Thejambi wrote:I genuinely think he was saddened by Cobain's death.
"You know, I always thought I'd go first..." May 21st, 1994, Melody Maker

That is just such an unbelievably fucked up thing to say about someone who just committed suicide, even if he was saddened (which I believe he was).

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:27 am
by Sgt. Crackpot
Thejambi wrote:
Aliveguy wrote:
Lament wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?
There's some really cringe-inducing stuff from the whole Kurt-Ed thing. Perhaps the worst though were Ed's comments in the aftermath of Kurt's death about how he always thought he'd go first. Ugh. So tasteless.

Eddie's not really a beacon of good taste or common sense. He's a good singer and was a brilliant lyricist, when he's not getting all bent out of shape about political issues that he doesn't fully comprehend.
I genuinely think he was saddened by Cobain's death.
I think the same too. I think he considered Cobain as one of his peers, at a level where there were very few peers at their level.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:33 am
by Thejambi
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
Thejambi wrote:
Aliveguy wrote:
Lament wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?
There's some really cringe-inducing stuff from the whole Kurt-Ed thing. Perhaps the worst though were Ed's comments in the aftermath of Kurt's death about how he always thought he'd go first. Ugh. So tasteless.

Eddie's not really a beacon of good taste or common sense. He's a good singer and was a brilliant lyricist, when he's not getting all bent out of shape about political issues that he doesn't fully comprehend.
I genuinely think he was saddened by Cobain's death.
I think the same too. I think he considered Cobain as one of his peers, at a level where there were very few peers at their level.
I'm not saying it was tasteful. I don't think he ever had the dysfunction that Cobain delt with but I believe he related that suicide to alot of the pressures and trials his fame was putting on him. In a way I think he was saying he thought Cobain was mentally tougher and we be able to endure longer.

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:36 am
by Sgt. Crackpot
Lament wrote:
Thejambi wrote:I genuinely think he was saddened by Cobain's death.
"You know, I always thought I'd go first..." May 21st, 1994, Melody Maker

That is just such an unbelievably fucked up thing to say about someone who just committed suicide, even if he was saddened (which I believe he was).
When taken out of context, it does sound terrible. Reading the full interview makes more sense about Eddie's mindset at the time. It certainly appears to have really affected him back then.

https://www.msu.edu/user/obrien31/veddercobain.htm
"You know," Eddie says, his voice trembling, hoarse, no more than a whisper, "I always thought I'd go first."
"I don't know why I thought that," he says finally. "It just seemed like I would. I mean, I didn't know him on a daily basis -- far from it. But, in a way, I don't even feel right being here without him. It's so difficult to really believe he's gone. I still talk about him like he's still here, you know. I can't figure it out. It doesn't make any sense."
"I remember when he got sick in Rome -- I didn't realise then that it was actually a suicide attempt -- I was in Seattle. I went out to grab something to eat and I saw the headlines. That he was in a coma. I just freaked out, man. I went home and made some phone calls, tried to find out what the fuck was going on. Then I started pacing the house and started to cry."
"I just kept saying, 'Don't go, man, just don't fuckin' go....just don't go.' I kept thinking, "If he goes, I'm fucked."

Re: General Pearl Jam Bitching

Posted: Tue July 16, 2013 2:37 am
by Sgt. Crackpot
Thejambi wrote:
Sgt. Crackpot wrote:
Thejambi wrote:
Aliveguy wrote:
Lament wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:I really don't remember it being too big a deal, but it was 20 years ago and i struggle remembering stuff from 20 days ago :?
There's some really cringe-inducing stuff from the whole Kurt-Ed thing. Perhaps the worst though were Ed's comments in the aftermath of Kurt's death about how he always thought he'd go first. Ugh. So tasteless.

Eddie's not really a beacon of good taste or common sense. He's a good singer and was a brilliant lyricist, when he's not getting all bent out of shape about political issues that he doesn't fully comprehend.
I genuinely think he was saddened by Cobain's death.
I think the same too. I think he considered Cobain as one of his peers, at a level where there were very few peers at their level.
I'm not saying it was tasteful. I don't think he ever had the dysfunction that Cobain delt with but I believe he related that suicide to alot of the pressures and trials his fame was putting on him. In a way I think he was saying he thought Cobain was mentally tougher and we be able to endure longer.
True. This is the impression I got from the interview:
"Fuck it fuckin' all," he hisses with a terrible vehemence, and I don't know where he's going now. "You know, all these people man," he says, " all lining up to say that his death was so fucking inevitable...well, if it was inevitable for him, it's gonna be inevitable for me, too, if this continues." "That's why this could be our last show in fuckin' for ever as far as I'm concerned. Kurt's death has changed everything. I don't know if I can do it any more.