Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:

BootsToAsses wrote:Just got back from seeing it for the third time. It was my brother's first time, and he loved it. He said he'll sleep on it and let me know more detailed thoughts tomorrow

Also, Rey/Kylo vs the guards in Snoke's throne room might be my favourite SW moment ever.

Would love to hear your thoughts post sleep.

Rey kylo and Snoke in the throne room is the best sequence in all Star Wars for me. No even small doubts about it l. No other sequence in Star Wars is built and painted and portrayed so perfectly. It’s stunning.

durdencommatyler wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Guys, it's time to admit that Disney fucked up Star Wars.

I've never been a bigger fan of Star Wars.

Though, I'm not sure if that makes or disputes your point.

One scene I was iffy about first time around was the Yoda one: this time it was oddly affecting. Two old friends talking about rejecting the 'sacred texts' and looking forward - the film's metatextual, analytical nature rising from 'subtext' to a more surface text. I can see why some are cynical about the film's willingness to disregard the past, in a franchise Disney seem eager to cash in on until the end of the time - that's a fair reading. But I read something more personal in it: a filmmaker acknowledging a fondness for the past while urging a new generation of directors & audience to look beyond it. The film is purposely cruel with its dismissal of Star Wars lore & rules at first, but I think by the end it has found more of a 'balance' - echoing, of course, what the characters go through here.

I think this scene had the themes truly laid bare, not to mention showings its full hand to the intended audience (Kylo's speech about killing the past notwithstanding) and encapsulated a broader success of the film in that it WASN'T as cruel as it could have been: we had first and second acts that laboured on the notion that perhaps an obsession with legend, nostalgia & lineage is a poison and we should look to our own horizons instead of trying to wallow in past glories or myths.

Dunno about others, but to me that felt incredibly pertinent in a current culture that champions nostalgia as its entertainment comfort blankets (and that's speaking as someone who loved Strangers Things I should add); equally, it came off as being aimed towards the hardcore Star Wars fans who might have been rooted into this notion of what Star Wars IS, should & always be. Johnson wanted to move on from all this, burn it all down, but I think he wanted us to welcome the match instead of anger at it.

There were a half-dozen ways any other writer or director could have torn up the continuity of Star Wars, and all of them about 10 times more obnoxious and insulting to fandom. Personally, Star Trek 2009 remains the sh*tty gold standard in taking a cherished continuity and borderline laughing at it; sure the actual movie was ostensibly entertaining, but the script fell over itself in trying to subvert tonal / character continuity in a fairly mean-spirited fashion IMO.

Divorcing the knowledge of the studio who owns the Star Wars franchise, this was about the kindest way a Star Wars movie could purposely jettison its own history and move into the future, all the while asking its audience to come along with it; after all, who else to hold out a hand but Yoda - a 1980s, puppet Yoda at that?

Anders wrote:Even the polling options are misleading. ROTS is a better movie, and it’s listed as the bottom option.

stip wrote:no. rebels is canon

Anders wrote:Even the polling options are misleading. ROTS is a better movie, and it’s listed as the bottom option.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:Even the polling options are misleading. ROTS is a better movie, and it’s listed as the bottom option.

I have no idea what this is in reference to.

Anders wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:Even the polling options are misleading. ROTS is a better movie, and it’s listed as the bottom option.

I have no idea what this is in reference to.

The polling option in this thread. The bottom rating is for missing the prequels.

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:no. rebels is canon

Are you saying you think Thrawn won't make it out of Rebels? Or that you don't think Thrawn could live long enough to still be around? Or that you think Thrawn, though still around, wouldn't have any interest in participating in a "new" Empire rip-off?

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Took my kids tonight. They loved it. They laughed at Snoke getting annihilated. They were in awe at the throne room scene. They thought Luke was a badass in his final act.

Second viewing for me, and I still really enjoyed it.

We'll probably go see it again after Christmas.

durdencommatyler wrote:You're not alone, EJ. There's a huge split among viewers. It'll be interesting to see if this is really "the new Empire" in that it's the follow up film that everybody hates upon release and then comes around to love and revere.

I loved it. It's certainly flawed. And there is some outright stupid shit in the movie, for sure. But there's dumb shit in every Star Wars movie. I think this will end up settling in my top five SW films for sure. Might even make that top spot. We'll see.

But after one viewing, I'm a fan.

dimejinky99 wrote:With Snoke gone I can see Kylo being obsessed with finding Rey. Could we finally get Thrawn onscreen? Kylo leaves the running of the first order in Thrawns hands while he’s scouring the galaxy for Rey?