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Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 9:14 pm
by Electromatic
Green Habit wrote:
Electromatic wrote:The defensive holding call would have eliminated any of the confusion of PI and whether it was catchable or not.
But this would have required that Kuechly was holding before the pass was thrown. Not sure if he was or not, but if he wasn't then you couldn't call defensive holding on that spot.

And as an aside, if the officials working the Broncos/Chiefs game were instead assigned to this game, there's no way they pick up that flag. They were calling every imaginable defensive holding penalty (while completely missing a blatant pushoff by Bowe to get his TD).

That's true, but that just shows how much gray area there was with that call. The Seahawks "winning" last year THAT was a terrible call. Last night was a judgement call.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 10:34 pm
by elliseamos
solid points by Peeps, Electro, and GH, but:

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Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 10:44 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
He just thought gronk could use a hug

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 10:47 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:He just thought gronk could use a hug
Who doesn't need a hug every once in awhile?

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 10:50 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:He just thought gronk could use a hug
Who doesn't need a hug every once in awhile?
Right, it always makes people feel better

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 10:53 pm
by epilogue
Green Habit wrote:I know the Broncos almost always beat the Chiefs at home, but that was still a nervous game to watch. Still, fuck yeah.

I really have to question Andy Reid not going for it on two occasions. The worst one was when they had it on the Denver 1--even if you don't get it you back the Broncos up very deep. The other one was when they had 4th and about 4 in no-man's land when they were down by 14.
I would have been shocked if the Chiefs had pulled this one out. I've had this circled as a loss since the schedule came out (I've had others circled as losses too, but this was the only one I was just about 100% on). And I honestly still think the Broncos will sweep the Chiefs. Of course, I'll be rooting for the opposite. :mrgreen:

But, yeah, I've said all year the Chiefs just don't have the offense to compete with Manning. Our D can keep a leash on him, but our O can't match him score for score. I'm just glad we didn't get completely blown out.

As for Reid not going for it... the one on Denver's 1, you ALWAYS take points against Manning. And even if he starts on the 1 yard line, chances are better than not that he'll score. Always take points. Always, always, always. The likelihood of our offense scoring a TD was much less than the likelihood of Manning leading a 99 yard drive for 6 points.

And on the second one, you never give Manning field position if you don't have to. And Alex was having a bad habit of losing us yards on important downs. I'm totally fine with Reid's calls on both occasions given how poorly our O was playing and how close the game was compared to how it could have been.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Tue November 19, 2013 11:11 pm
by Green Habit
durdencommatyler wrote:
Green Habit wrote:I know the Broncos almost always beat the Chiefs at home, but that was still a nervous game to watch. Still, fuck yeah.

I really have to question Andy Reid not going for it on two occasions. The worst one was when they had it on the Denver 1--even if you don't get it you back the Broncos up very deep. The other one was when they had 4th and about 4 in no-man's land when they were down by 14.
I would have been shocked if the Chiefs had pulled this one out. I've had this circled as a loss since the schedule came out (I've had others circled as losses too, but this was the only one I was just about 100% on). And I honestly still think the Broncos will sweep the Chiefs. Of course, I'll be rooting for the opposite. :mrgreen:

But, yeah, I've said all year the Chiefs just don't have the offense to compete with Manning. Our D can keep a leash on him, but our O can't match him score for score. I'm just glad we didn't get completely blown out.

As for Reid not going for it... the one on Denver's 1, you ALWAYS take points against Manning. And even if he starts on the 1 yard line, chances are better than not that he'll score. Always take points. Always, always, always. The likelihood of our offense scoring a TD was much less than the likelihood of Manning leading a 99 yard drive for 6 points.

And on the second one, you never give Manning field position if you don't have to. And Alex was having a bad habit of losing us yards on important downs. I'm totally fine with Reid's calls on both occasions given how poorly our O was playing and how close the game was compared to how it could have been.
Well, I should say that I think that (barring something special like a tie game with 4 seconds left) teams should always go for it on 4th and goal from the 1. But to me, when you're going up against a good offense it justifies going for it more often, not less. If you trade TDs for FGs, by mathematical definition you're going to lose.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 7:25 am
by dkfan9
Still pissed about the call vs. Ahmad Brooks. Navorro Bowman's postgame interview said it best. Though certainly not up to par with Belichick's postgame.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 7:35 am
by Orpheus
I have to agree with GH. You play to win the game, and all that.

It's a shame the MNF game ended the way it did, because it was one of my favorite games so far. Lots of long drives and tension throughout. I hope the Panthers make the playoffs, they have an interesting team and seem like they could play spoiler.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 7:44 am
by dkfan9
Orpheus wrote:I have to agree with GH. You play to win the game, and all that.

It's a shame the MNF game ended the way it did, because it was one of my favorite games so far. Lots of long drives and tension throughout. I hope the Panthers make the playoffs, they have an interesting team and seem like they could play spoiler.
yeah, i'm liking them as well. interesting set of games they played too: low-scoring scuffle vs. the 49ers, then moderate scoring game that ended with two long, flashy drives, and controversy.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 2:29 pm
by Electromatic
http://topekasnews.com/cheating-denver- ... ight-game/

So yeah, Mile High!

On my list of road stadiums to visit. Did a newspaper in kansas really write this article???

"Multiple NFL teams have complained the high marijuana to oxygen ratio inside Mile High Stadium gives the marijuana-trained Broncos an unfair advantage at home against incoming teams from states where marijuana remains appropriately illegal."

Complained? I rather doubt that. Dwayne Bowe still wants to know if Sonic is open.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 3:50 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
wow

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 3:52 pm
by Peeps
isnt that article a bit tongue in cheek?

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 4:46 pm
by Electromatic
Peeps wrote:isnt that article a bit tongue in cheek?
Yes, firmly tounge in cheek

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 5:58 pm
by Peeps
thats what i thought but the comments under the article had me questioning whether it really was or not

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 6:49 pm
by Electromatic
Ahmad Brooks fined 16K. That's insult to injury.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 8:09 pm
by Peeps
Electromatic wrote:Ahmad Brooks fined 16K. That's insult to injury.

wonder if ray ray will pony up 8K

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Wed November 20, 2013 10:05 pm
by elliseamos
Peeps wrote:
Electromatic wrote:Ahmad Brooks fined 16K. That's insult to injury.

wonder if ray ray will pony up 8K
he only needs to offer $5K, as tedy bruschi also offered his credit card.

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Thu November 21, 2013 2:46 am
by dkfan9
an abomination

Re: 2013 NFL Season

Posted: Thu November 21, 2013 5:21 am
by Mecca
I don't want to be a fan of a sport where that's a fineable hit