Red Mosquito

cutuphalfdead wrote:For years we've all been wondering what happens next. Well, apparently exactly what happened before happens next.

It's not the Empire, it's the First Order (even though they're exactly the same)! Also, don't worry about how they came to power after the defeat of the Empire. Doesn't matter, just go with it! Also, the defeat of the empire was meaningless.

cutuphalfdead wrote:For years we've all been wondering what happens next. Well, apparently exactly what happened before happens next.

I think they'll finally be done with Death Star creations this time though. Or will they?

dimejinky99 wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I haven't seen this yet but I feel like I'm going to be closer to LV than to strat on this one.

In fairness you seem like you wanna hate it before you've seen it, for hat ever reason.
See It And have at it afterwards. Be honest though.

I haven't actually talked very much about this so not sure where you're getting that. It's just I'm the type of person that gets annoyed when something is just a pandering rehash of an old story.

Also, I've always really liked the OT, but I've never been a star wars fanboy. So I don't feel like I have an emotional disposition to this either way.

EJ wrote:or Luke..I mean Rey...flying to Dagobah...I mean Ireland?

This could go on forever. I don't think anyone has any illusions that this wasn't basically a remake of ANH with nods to ESB and ROTJ. It didn't lessen the enjoyment of the movie at all for me.

I was suddenly jolted out of Star Wars for that part.

But I'm from here.
It's so baldly and very clearly Ireland
But the whole audience cheered and loved it. But again, we're from here

E.H. Ruddock wrote:With as big as the Star Wars Universe is, though, there is so much potential for new or even tangent storylines from the original. Copying the original just seems a little lazy and/or pandering.

For one movie I'm ok with it. Hopefully the next two will branch off and do their own thing.

dimejinky99 wrote:

dprival78 wrote:i do wonder how much the rehashing of so many of the OT plot points will bother me as time goes on. right now, it only bothers me a little, with minimal impact on my enjoyment of the thing. we'll see if that changes.

My biggest concern about this too.

Seeing our favourite characters again after all these years. Feels.


How much longevity does that have?

Will this still be a great film when the trilogy is over?
Think so but we will see

i should stop reading LV's posts.. he might speed the process

admittedly, while watching the attack on the starkiller base scene i was surprised that they went that route so specifically again, and found it completely anti-climatic. as it was transpiring, i was hoping for a twist.. that the attack would fail or just something different. it was a little bit of a let down there.

i'm still firmly on team TFA though

Um, bigger scam than this?

Also, why not take ten minutes to explain what happened to the rebellion and empire remnants?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:With as big as the Star Wars Universe is, though, there is so much potential for new or even tangent storylines from the original. Copying the original just seems a little lazy and/or pandering.

For one movie I'm ok with it. Hopefully the next two will branch off and do their own thing.

Yeah, I really think they will. There's some potentially interesting characters/struggles in The First Order to explore.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:guys, remember, this is still Star Wars we're talking about, not the Godfather.

God I hate this argument. I like ESB and ROTJ more than The Godfather anyway.

but why do people criticize this movie for not being something that it never was or never intended to be? it's like saying south park's animations suck compared to a Pixar movie. yes there are plot holes. yes the dialogue can be corny. and yes the scenes can be predictable as all get out. but that's star wars.

btw, if you recall, I never saw the godfather

What? How am I expecting it to be something it's not? I just want it to be GOOD. The OT were GOOD MOVIES. This is lazy, pandering garbage.

it sounds like your biggest beef is that it's essentially ATH II. if that's it, I think it's a fair criticism. but any of the other criticisms could probably be said about the original trilogy.

No, that's far from the biggest criticism. It just isn't any good. The originals were not merely exposition dumps with disposable characters, bad performances, and dull action scenes. All nuance and atmosphere has been sacrificed. Passion has been replaced with laziness. Creativity and imagination have been co-opted by imitation and iconography porn. New ideas have been subsumed by fanboy genuflection.

But, hey, it's just a dumb sci-fi movie! Don't worry about it!

cutuphalfdead wrote:Also, I've always really liked the OT, but I've never been a star wars fanboy. So I don't feel like I have an emotional disposition to this either way.

I'm making an assumption I'm sorry

lol wut

Monkey_Driven wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:With as big as the Star Wars Universe is, though, there is so much potential for new or even tangent storylines from the original. Copying the original just seems a little lazy and/or pandering.

For one movie I'm ok with it. Hopefully the next two will branch off and do their own thing.

I'm pretty sure in the next one Luke will have to go off on his own to further his training, only to abandon that training when his friends are betrayed by someone they thought they could trust. Also, someone will fall into a sarlacc pit and then 30 years later whoever owns the rights to the franchise will say he magically survived so they could use him in episode 14.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:With as big as the Star Wars Universe is, though, there is so much potential for new or even tangent storylines from the original. Copying the original just seems a little lazy and/or pandering.

For one movie I'm ok with it. Hopefully the next two will branch off and do their own thing.

I'm pretty sure in the next one Luke will have to go off on his own to further his training, only to abandon that training when his friends are betrayed by someone they thought they could trust. Also, someone will fall into a sarlacc pit and then 30 years later whoever owns the rights to the franchise will say he magically survived so they could use him in episode 14.

I guarantee Luke is going to train Rey just like Yoda trained him.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:With as big as the Star Wars Universe is, though, there is so much potential for new or even tangent storylines from the original. Copying the original just seems a little lazy and/or pandering.

For one movie I'm ok with it. Hopefully the next two will branch off and do their own thing.

I'm pretty sure in the next one Luke will have to go off on his own to further his training, only to abandon that training when his friends are betrayed by someone they thought they could trust. Also, someone will fall into a sarlacc pit and then 30 years later whoever owns the rights to the franchise will say he magically survived so they could use him in episode 14.

I guarantee Luke is going to train Rey just like Yoda trained him.

Oh yeah I meant Rey.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:guys, remember, this is still Star Wars we're talking about, not the Godfather.

God I hate this argument. I like ESB and ROTJ more than The Godfather anyway.

but why do people criticize this movie for not being something that it never was or never intended to be? it's like saying south park's animations suck compared to a Pixar movie. yes there are plot holes. yes the dialogue can be corny. and yes the scenes can be predictable as all get out. but that's star wars.

btw, if you recall, I never saw the godfather

What? How am I expecting it to be something it's not? I just want it to be GOOD. The OT were GOOD MOVIES. This is lazy, pandering garbage.

it sounds like your biggest beef is that it's essentially ATH II. if that's it, I think it's a fair criticism. but any of the other criticisms could probably be said about the original trilogy.

No, that's far from the biggest criticism. It just isn't any good. The originals were not merely exposition dumps with disposable characters, bad performances, and dull action scenes. All nuance and atmosphere has been sacrificed. Passion has been replaced with laziness. Creativity and imagination have been co-opted by imitation and iconography porn. New ideas have been subsumed by fanboy genuflection.

But, hey, it's just a dumb sci-fi movie! Don't worry about it!

I don't really see the 3 mains as disposable characters or poorly acted at all. I felt the action scenes had significance and weight to them, especially the blaster fire and lightsaber fight at the end.

how much of this do you think was disney wanting to make sure they brought as many people back on board as possible for this thing? all the nostalgia/plot-rehashing safely and firmly locks in all the existing nerds, and the new faces/bb8 get the new generation hooked. now going forward, we have everyone along for the ride, which will hopefully go in some new and interesting directions.

Another interesting thing about Snoke & Kylo and who Snoke might be...

(Snoke waits to see if Kylo can pass his test (killing his father) before completing his training

Which is exactly the same test that Palpatine had to pass for his master...

Darth Plagueis?

I give it a solid 5/10. Basically a remake. Some big moments landed with a thud. The new characters were good though.