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Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:guys, remember, this is still Star Wars we're talking about, not the Godfather.

God I hate this argument. I like ESB and ROTJ more than The Godfather anyway.

but why do people criticize this movie for not being something that it never was or never intended to be? it's like saying south park's animations suck compared to a Pixar movie. yes there are plot holes. yes the dialogue can be corny. and yes the scenes can be predictable as all get out. but that's star wars.

btw, if you recall, I never saw the godfather

What? How am I expecting it to be something it's not? I just want it to be GOOD. The OT were GOOD MOVIES. This is lazy, pandering garbage.

it sounds like your biggest beef is that it's essentially ATH II. if that's it, I think it's a fair criticism. but any of the other criticisms could probably be said about the original trilogy.

No, that's far from the biggest criticism. It just isn't any good. The originals were not merely exposition dumps with disposable characters, bad performances, and dull action scenes. All nuance and atmosphere has been sacrificed. Passion has been replaced with laziness. Creativity and imagination have been co-opted by imitation and iconography porn. New ideas have been subsumed by fanboy genuflection.

But, hey, it's just a dumb sci-fi movie! Don't worry about it!

I don't really see the 3 mains as disposable characters or poorly acted at all. I felt the action scenes had significance and weight to them, especially the blaster fire and lightsaber fight at the end.

Yyyeeaahhh, I think it's safe to say that Rey isn't exactly Han Solo and Daisy Ridley isn't exactly Harrison Ford.

If Finn is Lando's son I'll laugh hysterically..

dprival78 wrote:how much of this do you think was disney wanting to make sure they brought as many people back on board as possible for this thing? all the nostalgia/plot-rehashing safely and firmly locks in all the existing nerds, and the new faces/bb8 get the new generation hooked. now going forward, we have everyone along for the ride, which will hopefully go in some new and interesting directions.

OF COURSE this is what it was. Disney is not going to let their big new corporate property flop. They were going to play it as safe as possible after the prequel debacle.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:If Finn is Lando's son I'll laugh hysterically..

Who's going to be Bobba Fett's son or daughter? Phasma?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:If Finn is Lando's son I'll laugh hysterically..

About as hard as I laughed when they revealed Kylo is Han and Leia's son.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:guys, remember, this is still Star Wars we're talking about, not the Godfather.

God I hate this argument. I like ESB and ROTJ more than The Godfather anyway.

but why do people criticize this movie for not being something that it never was or never intended to be? it's like saying south park's animations suck compared to a Pixar movie. yes there are plot holes. yes the dialogue can be corny. and yes the scenes can be predictable as all get out. but that's star wars.

btw, if you recall, I never saw the godfather

What? How am I expecting it to be something it's not? I just want it to be GOOD. The OT were GOOD MOVIES. This is lazy, pandering garbage.

it sounds like your biggest beef is that it's essentially ATH II. if that's it, I think it's a fair criticism. but any of the other criticisms could probably be said about the original trilogy.

No, that's far from the biggest criticism. It just isn't any good. The originals were not merely exposition dumps with disposable characters, bad performances, and dull action scenes. All nuance and atmosphere has been sacrificed. Passion has been replaced with laziness. Creativity and imagination have been co-opted by imitation and iconography porn. New ideas have been subsumed by fanboy genuflection.

But, hey, it's just a dumb sci-fi movie! Don't worry about it!

I don't really see the 3 mains as disposable characters or poorly acted at all. I felt the action scenes had significance and weight to them, especially the blaster fire and lightsaber fight at the end.

Yyyeeaahhh, I think it's safe to say that Rey isn't exactly Han Solo and Daisy Ridley isn't exactly Harrison Ford.

Who is? She's certainly surpassed Fisher and Hamill's perfomances from the OT.

dprival78 wrote:how much of this do you think was disney wanting to make sure they brought as many people back on board as possible for this thing? all the nostalgia/plot-rehashing safely and firmly locks in all the existing nerds, and the new faces/bb8 get the new generation hooked. now going forward, we have everyone along for the ride, which will hopefully go in some new and interesting directions.

Well it's obvious Disney wanted as many people on board but say what you will of them as an entity they don't sell shit. They'd want this to be the best it could be in order for it to be viable for their shareholders and to be able to stand behind it as a quality product.



Force awakens is just set up. All the familiar tropes and totems.

The next one is where it becomes amazing


Does ANYONE know if they're giving Rian the same control/final say JJ had?
Let's hope he has hat sale final say and control

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:If Finn is Lando's son I'll laugh hysterically..

About as hard as I laughed when they revealed Kylo is Han and Leia's son.

That didn't bug me. The jedi offspring see always fucking shit up.

Finn being lando's kid would be terrible.

I liked the new characters a lot. It was the old ones I didn't care for.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:guys, remember, this is still Star Wars we're talking about, not the Godfather.

God I hate this argument. I like ESB and ROTJ more than The Godfather anyway.

but why do people criticize this movie for not being something that it never was or never intended to be? it's like saying south park's animations suck compared to a Pixar movie. yes there are plot holes. yes the dialogue can be corny. and yes the scenes can be predictable as all get out. but that's star wars.

btw, if you recall, I never saw the godfather

What? How am I expecting it to be something it's not? I just want it to be GOOD. The OT were GOOD MOVIES. This is lazy, pandering garbage.

it sounds like your biggest beef is that it's essentially ATH II. if that's it, I think it's a fair criticism. but any of the other criticisms could probably be said about the original trilogy.

No, that's far from the biggest criticism. It just isn't any good. The originals were not merely exposition dumps with disposable characters, bad performances, and dull action scenes. All nuance and atmosphere has been sacrificed. Passion has been replaced with laziness. Creativity and imagination have been co-opted by imitation and iconography porn. New ideas have been subsumed by fanboy genuflection.

But, hey, it's just a dumb sci-fi movie! Don't worry about it!

I don't really see the 3 mains as disposable characters or poorly acted at all. I felt the action scenes had significance and weight to them, especially the blaster fire and lightsaber fight at the end.

Yyyeeaahhh, I think it's safe to say that Rey isn't exactly Han Solo and Daisy Ridley isn't exactly Harrison Ford.

Who is? She's certainly surpassed Fisher and Hamill's perfomances from the OT.

Gonna go ahead and disagree. And Hammill and Fisher already ain't distinguished thespians. Ridley is like a blend of Kiera Knightley and Emilia Clarke.

What makes you think they won't see the success of this one as a reason to play it just as safe for the next two?

dimejinky99 wrote:

dprival78 wrote:how much of this do you think was disney wanting to make sure they brought as many people back on board as possible for this thing? all the nostalgia/plot-rehashing safely and firmly locks in all the existing nerds, and the new faces/bb8 get the new generation hooked. now going forward, we have everyone along for the ride, which will hopefully go in some new and interesting directions.

Well it's obvious Disney wanted as many people on board but say what you will of them as an entity they don't sell shit. They'd want this to be the best it could be in order for it to be viable for their shareholders and to be able to stand behind it as a quality product.



Force awakens is just set up. All the familiar tropes and totems.

The next one is where it becomes amazing


Does ANYONE know if they're giving Rian the same control/final say JJ had?
Let's hope he has hat sale final say and control

"Best" and "safest bet" aren't the same thing.

And here we go already with the "the next one is where it gets REALLY good!"

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

dprival78 wrote:how much of this do you think was disney wanting to make sure they brought as many people back on board as possible for this thing? all the nostalgia/plot-rehashing safely and firmly locks in all the existing nerds, and the new faces/bb8 get the new generation hooked. now going forward, we have everyone along for the ride, which will hopefully go in some new and interesting directions.

Well it's obvious Disney wanted as many people on board but say what you will of them as an entity they don't sell shit. They'd want this to be the best it could be in order for it to be viable for their shareholders and to be able to stand behind it as a quality product.



Force awakens is just set up. All the familiar tropes and totems.

The next one is where it becomes amazing


Does ANYONE know if they're giving Rian the same control/final say JJ had?
Let's hope he has hat sale final say and control

"Best" and "safest bet" aren't the same thing.

And here we go already with the "the next one is where it gets REALLY good!"

At least you'll have Rogue One to look forward to.

These main three are lost causes at this point. Bring on Rogue One.

Heh I knew while watching LV was going to hate this. that was my favorite part of the movie.

I have a feeling the Han Solo movie will be pretty terrible.

"Do you have a boyfriend?"

"I like this." (Apparently Han has never before touched Chewie's crossbow in all their years together.)

"I like him."

Monkey_Driven wrote:I have a feeling the Han Solo movie will be pretty terrible.

yea, i'm not thrilled with the idea of it. or any origin stories. it's a big galaxy.. go somewhere new.

dprival78 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I have a feeling the Han Solo movie will be pretty terrible.

yea, i'm not thrilled with the idea of it. or any origin stories. it's a big galaxy.. go somewhere new.

I'm holding out for an IG-88 standalone.

dimejinky99 wrote: The next one is where it becomes amazing

If you are already at this point then I'm going to go ahead and say maybe you didn't like it a much as you think you did?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dprival78 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I have a feeling the Han Solo movie will be pretty terrible.

yea, i'm not thrilled with the idea of it. or any origin stories. it's a big galaxy.. go somewhere new.

I'm holding out for an IG-88 standalone.

DAMN STRAIGHT