Red Mosquito

I'm happy to say after the second viewing I enjoyed this one more that TFA. It was definitely a step up.

I can understand why people may not like this film, but the social media backlash is just absurd.

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

blueviper wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Took my kids tonight. They loved it. They laughed at Snoke getting annihilated. They were in awe at the throne room scene. They thought Luke was a badass in his final act.

Second viewing for me, and I still really enjoyed it.

We'll probably go see it again after Christmas.

This reminds me, when I went to see it...during the throne room fight.

At the end of the fight, when the lightsaber goes through the guards head, and you see the hole...a young kid (7-8?) behind me and my brother chuckled. That's messed up.

I quite liked that move by Ren, and they way the camera pans to reveal the hole.

Lightsabers can’t switch on and off that quickly. Also sound designer Ben burtt who invented all the sounds in Star Wars, including the lightsabers, didn’t work on this movie. That’s why it all sounded fucking wrong.

I hate this film.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

blueviper wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Took my kids tonight. They loved it. They laughed at Snoke getting annihilated. They were in awe at the throne room scene. They thought Luke was a badass in his final act.

Second viewing for me, and I still really enjoyed it.

We'll probably go see it again after Christmas.

This reminds me, when I went to see it...during the throne room fight.

At the end of the fight, when the lightsaber goes through the guards head, and you see the hole...a young kid (7-8?) behind me and my brother chuckled. That's messed up.

I quite liked that move by Ren, and they way the camera pans to reveal the hole.

Lightsabers can’t switch on and off that quickly. Also sound designer Ben burtt who invented all the sounds in Star Wars, including the lightsabers, didn’t work on this movie. That’s why it all sounded fucking wrong.

I hate this film.

What did I miss in the last few pages? I thought you loved it.

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

blueviper wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:Took my kids tonight. They loved it. They laughed at Snoke getting annihilated. They were in awe at the throne room scene. They thought Luke was a badass in his final act.

Second viewing for me, and I still really enjoyed it.

We'll probably go see it again after Christmas.

This reminds me, when I went to see it...during the throne room fight.

At the end of the fight, when the lightsaber goes through the guards head, and you see the hole...a young kid (7-8?) behind me and my brother chuckled. That's messed up.

I quite liked that move by Ren, and they way the camera pans to reveal the hole.

Lightsabers can’t switch on and off that quickly. Also sound designer Ben burtt who invented all the sounds in Star Wars, including the lightsabers, didn’t work on this movie. That’s why it all sounded fucking wrong.

I hate this film.

What did I miss in the last few pages? I thought you loved it.

I’m just kidding. It’s great. Love is a strong word. But it is great

stip wrote:the ot is full of stupid shit with more than enough wonderful moments to make you not care. they would wilt under the same level of scruitny.

I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:the ot is full of stupid shit with more than enough wonderful moments to make you not care. they would wilt under the same level of scruitny.

I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

He said they’d wilt under the same kind of scrutiny. Meaning rose tinted goggles off, hardwired nostalgia feels disabled. You release the OT now and they’d fail utterly on every level.

I like my analogy. It fits.

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:the ot is full of stupid shit with more than enough wonderful moments to make you not care. they would wilt under the same level of scruitny.

I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

He said they’d wilt under the same kind of scrutiny. Meaning rose tinted goggles off, hardwired nostalgia feels disabled. You release the OT now and they’d fail utterly on every level.

The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:the ot is full of stupid shit with more than enough wonderful moments to make you not care. they would wilt under the same level of scruitny.

I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

He said they’d wilt under the same kind of scrutiny. Meaning rose tinted goggles off, hardwired nostalgia feels disabled. You release the OT now and they’d fail utterly on every level.

The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

Scrutinised for canon and story. They’ve never been under the same critical scrutiny the new films have been subject to at all. They’d fall apart under that kind of cold dissection.

And I’m a fan saying that.

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:the ot is full of stupid shit with more than enough wonderful moments to make you not care. they would wilt under the same level of scruitny.

I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

He said they’d wilt under the same kind of scrutiny. Meaning rose tinted goggles off, hardwired nostalgia feels disabled. You release the OT now and they’d fail utterly on every level.

The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

Scrutinised for canon and story. They’ve never been under the same critical scrutiny the new films have been subject to at all. They’d fall apart under that kind of cold dissection.

And I’m a fan saying that.

I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “fallen apart” at all.

IT would be interesting to read any reviews from the 97/99 theatrical rereleases and see what journalists at least thought. The internet was barely two years old at that stage.
It wouldn’t play a part

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:the ot is full of stupid shit with more than enough wonderful moments to make you not care. they would wilt under the same level of scruitny.

I haven’t read the last few pages of this thread but I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

He said they’d wilt under the same kind of scrutiny. Meaning rose tinted goggles off, hardwired nostalgia feels disabled. You release the OT now and they’d fail utterly on every level.

The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “wilted” at all.

Scrutinised for canon and story. They’ve never been under the same critical scrutiny the new films have been subject to at all. They’d fall apart under that kind of cold dissection.

And I’m a fan saying that.

I think this is flat-out wrong. The OT has been intensely scrutinized for decades and they haven’t “fallen apart” at all.

Well provide some evidence. Most serious pieces ever written about Star Wars are written through a ha e of nostalgia and a wonderment or what is the lightning in the bottle those three films have.

I’ve never read or seen a serious cold honest critical analysis of Star Wars or any film in the ot. Just an honest take. Not a hatchett job from a grumpy journo. A real take.


There arent any. Closest I can remember reading was one guy saying these movies shouldnt work at all but somehow they do.

Agree with LV. The smartest thing JJ did was remaking ep 4, the worst thing he did was doing it with less soul and with the stupid Starkiller Base. The new movies just haven’t captured the spirit of the OT.

dimejinky99 wrote:I like my analogy. It fits.

Bang on the money, I reckon. Like I said earlier in this thread, ESB was release with mixed and critical responses from audiences. Now it's often lauded as the best of the series.

Give this one time, and see how it simmers. Plus once EP IX is released, it may make sense of this movie's importance.

Especially if JJ has the porgs join the fight.

dimejinky99 wrote:I’ve never read or seen a serious cold honest critical analysis of Star Wars or any film in the ot. Just an honest take. Not a hatchett job from a grumpy journo. A real take.

There must be thousands of the original, and probably best movie:
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-1977

Anders wrote:Agree with LV. The smartest thing JJ did was remaking ep 4, the worst thing he did was doing it with less soul and with the stupid Starkiller Base. The new movies just haven’t captured the spirit of the OT.

I don’t have the energy or time to go round and round on this.

There is more OT Star Wars references spirit and functions in the last Jedi than there are in even the force awakens. TFA has them as upfront in your face elements. TLJ has a great many more employed so deeply and subtley than I would have thought possible. But they are there. And they are the best elements of Star Wars being brought forward.
You aren’t seeing them. Clearly. Thats fine. But youre building a castle on sand saying things like ‘soulless’ until you find them and see how they relate to translating Star Wars into a new paradigm for a new generation.

I don’t think time is going to be kind to these movies at all. There is no way they will ever be viewed as enduring classics equal to the OT. They’re way too flimsy, and the level of filmmaking craftsmanship is not even comparable.

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I like my analogy. It fits.

Bang on the money, I reckon. Like I said earlier in this thread, ESB was release with mixed and critical responses from audiences. Now it's often lauded as the best of the series.

Give this one time, and see how it simmers. Plus once EP IX is released, it may make sense of this movie's importance.

Especially if JJ has the porgs join the fight.

Batman vs Superman was also met with mixed and critical responses, it’s no ESB though.

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I’ve never read or seen a serious cold honest critical analysis of Star Wars or any film in the ot. Just an honest take. Not a hatchett job from a grumpy journo. A real take.

There must be thousands of the original, and probably best movie:
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-1977

Honestly nonsense. Ebert and siskel both have flip flopped and changed their view in almost every single Star Wars film. They’re known for it.

Anders wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I like my analogy. It fits.

Bang on the money, I reckon. Like I said earlier in this thread, ESB was release with mixed and critical responses from audiences. Now it's often lauded as the best of the series.

Give this one time, and see how it simmers. Plus once EP IX is released, it may make sense of this movie's importance.

Especially if JJ has the porgs join the fight.

Batman vs Superman was also met with mixed and critical responses, it’s no ESB though.

BVS already has a big cult following that will only grow throughout the years. Zack Snyder will be heralded as a misunderstood auteur in 50 years, mark my words.