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dime, you are so deep into the minutiae of SW fandom nonsense that the things you say don’t even make sense. Up is down. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Anders wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I like my analogy. It fits.

Bang on the money, I reckon. Like I said earlier in this thread, ESB was release with mixed and critical responses from audiences. Now it's often lauded as the best of the series.

Give this one time, and see how it simmers. Plus once EP IX is released, it may make sense of this movie's importance.

Especially if JJ has the porgs join the fight.

Batman vs Superman was also met with mixed and critical responses, it’s no ESB though.

BVS already has a big cult following that will only grow throughout the years. Zack Snyder will be heralded as a misunderstood auteur in 50 years, mark my words.

I actually thought it was a decent movie, was surprised at how fierce the criticism was.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime, you are so deep into the minutiae of SW fandom nonsense that the things you say don’t even make sense. Up is down. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

Are there ewoks in that forest?

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime, you are so deep into the minutiae of SW fandom nonsense that the things you say don’t even make sense. Up is down. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

Are there ewoks in that forest?

No, the noble ewoks have ascended from our plane

dimejinky99 wrote:

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I’ve never read or seen a serious cold honest critical analysis of Star Wars or any film in the ot. Just an honest take. Not a hatchett job from a grumpy journo. A real take.

There must be thousands of the original, and probably best movie:
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-1977

Honestly nonsense. Ebert and siskel both have flip flopped and changed their view in almost every single Star Wars film. They’re known for it.

This seems to have been written in 1977, and it’s a really good piece. Either way if you can’t see why the 1977 movie is nearly flawless, I won’t be able to convince you. The fact that you can see it 40 years later, and it still has the greatest emotional impact is amazing. In that it is like the other greatest classics of film, a short list.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:dime, you are so deep into the minutiae of SW fandom nonsense that the things you say don’t even make sense. Up is down. You can’t see the forest for the trees.

Waiting for the day that you can make a point in reply to someone simply cos they don’t agree with you, that isn’t ad hominem.

Even in the vaguest sense Like here


You don’t know everything LV. People are going to call you out for posing and bullshitting on a topic you don’t know much about. Cop onto that will you ?

Anders wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Anders wrote:

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I like my analogy. It fits.

Bang on the money, I reckon. Like I said earlier in this thread, ESB was release with mixed and critical responses from audiences. Now it's often lauded as the best of the series.

Give this one time, and see how it simmers. Plus once EP IX is released, it may make sense of this movie's importance.

Especially if JJ has the porgs join the fight.

Batman vs Superman was also met with mixed and critical responses, it’s no ESB though.

BVS already has a big cult following that will only grow throughout the years. Zack Snyder will be heralded as a misunderstood auteur in 50 years, mark my words.

I actually thought it was a decent movie, was surprised at how fierce the criticism was.

The extended cut of BvS is a thing of beauty. It’s the film that should have been released

That wasn’t even meant to be an ad hominem attack. Just saying that your SW posting is nearly incomprehensible to me, someone who is not involved in fandom.

You clearly know a lot about SW. You approach it as a SW fan. I know a lot about movies and don’t care about SW as a property. We approach these movies from what I would consider opposing angles, so we’re never going to see eye to eye. We see different things in them and want different things from them.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:That wasn’t even meant to be an ad hominem attack. Just saying that your SW posting is nearly incomprehensible to me, someone who is not involved in fandom.

You clearly know a lot about SW. You approach it as a SW fan. I know a lot about movies and don’t care about SW as a property. We approach these movies from what I would consider opposing angles, so we’re never going to see eye to eye. We see different things in them and want different things from them.

For all that you still haven’t realised no Star Wars film is ever going to give you what you want from what you think should be Star Wars.

So let it go and give up the ghost. I think it’s workin for a great many other people and giving them what they want. Your attitude seems to be we’re all stupid for accepting that.

What? I don’t want anything different from SW than I’d want from any other movie. That’s the whole point of what I said.

And I think most people are stupid and have terrible taste, and I couldn’t give a fuck what they want from a movie. SW is no different, except it’s intensified by my hatred for nerds and fanboys.

Thing I really don’t get is this film can be viewed as a massive Fuck you to the force awakens. You hate that film. Surely this should be right up your alley.

dimejinky99 wrote:Thing I really don’t get is this film can be viewed as a massive Fuck you to the force awakens. You hate that film. Surely this should be right up your alley.

He said he liked it better than TFA

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Thing I really don’t get is this film can be viewed as a massive Fuck you to the force awakens. You hate that film. Surely this should be right up your alley.

He said he liked it better than TFA

If you look I haven’t even barely posted in here since release. I havent seen anyone’s thoughts or particular posts. But thanks for sharing them.

dimejinky99 wrote:I like my analogy. It fits.

pure genius?

i was neither overwhelmed nor underwhelmed. it was a good movie that i thought furthered the story at a good pace

Why can't we change the poll to grade it A-F?

I'd give it a B+ or B.

To Dime's point (I like the Achtung analogy) all three Star Wars movies were met with mixed responses when they first came out. Their appreciation has grown in time until they became cultural touchstones for two generations. RT or some other group has gone back to aggregate and measure the release reviews and I think Empire had something like a 67%. Decent, but not what it became.


History will be on TLJ's side, I think. And perhaps you'll some day be right about BvS or the Transformers, LV. The arc of history is long, but it bends towards justice

I thought the Ren, Snoke, Rey throne room scene was awesome, edge of your seat stuff. Reminds me of the last 10 min of the rebels escaping Vader in Rogue One in terms of intensity.

Still, my favorite all-time SW scene is probably the music, singing kicking in during the Luke/Vader fight in Jedi.

Anders wrote:Agree with LV. The smartest thing JJ did was remaking ep 4, the worst thing he did was doing it with less soul and with the stupid Starkiller Base. The new movies just haven’t captured the spirit of the OT.

I disagree. But you probably already knew that.

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I’ve never read or seen a serious cold honest critical analysis of Star Wars or any film in the ot. Just an honest take. Not a hatchett job from a grumpy journo. A real take.

There must be thousands of the original, and probably best movie:
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-1977

Honestly nonsense. Ebert and siskel both have flip flopped and changed their view in almost every single Star Wars film. They’re known for it.

This seems to have been written in 1977, and it’s a really good piece. Either way if you can’t see why the 1977 movie is nearly flawless, I won’t be able to convince you. The fact that you can see it 40 years later, and it still has the greatest emotional impact is amazing. In that it is like the other greatest classics of film, a short list.

The original has far less emotional impact for me than any of the three misty recent films. The first one is pretty ridiculous, all told. I enjoy it because of the nostalgia and what it launched. But it's a pretty bad movie as far as movie making goes.