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Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 2:25 pm
by wease
oasisfan35 wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 1:40 pm
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 12:49 pm Is that even legal?
Requires congressional approval, would cost over $1T in taxpayer funds as well.
I'll add, no I do not believe it to be legal but that doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle these days :roll:
I mean, isn’t it illegal to even offer to give someone money in exchange for voting a particular way?

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm
by Farmer John
Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 3:22 pm
by oasisfan35
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 2:25 pm
oasisfan35 wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 1:40 pm
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 12:49 pm Is that even legal?
Requires congressional approval, would cost over $1T in taxpayer funds as well.
I'll add, no I do not believe it to be legal but that doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle these days :roll:
I mean, isn’t it illegal to even offer to give someone money in exchange for voting a particular way?
18 U.S. Code § 597 - Expenditures to influence voting
Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and

Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
But ya know, just Trump being Trump.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 4:06 pm
by wease
oasisfan35 wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:22 pm
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 2:25 pm
oasisfan35 wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 1:40 pm
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 12:49 pm Is that even legal?
Requires congressional approval, would cost over $1T in taxpayer funds as well.
I'll add, no I do not believe it to be legal but that doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle these days :roll:
I mean, isn’t it illegal to even offer to give someone money in exchange for voting a particular way?
18 U.S. Code § 597 - Expenditures to influence voting
Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and

Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
But ya know, just Trump being Trump.
That’s the part that absolutely enrages me. Can you imagine the backlash if Kamala had done that in the last election? Or if Biden or Obama or Hillary? Republicans would be (rightly) incensed about the very idea of bribing people for votes. But when Trump does it everyone’s response is it’s just “Trump being Trump.” Bullshit. I mean yes, in the sense it’s illegal and practically everything he does is a illegal or a lie, but we can’t have gotten to a place where someone can unabashedly break the law in no uncertain terms and everyone’s reaction be, “oh, well.”

The democrats and never Trumpers should issue a joint statement saying they’ll pay us $10,000 instead of just $5000. Hell, if it’s gonna be allowed, I want fair market value for my vote.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 4:17 pm
by Norah
Thought experiment: How is this different than say a lefty candidate saying "vote for me and I'll implement a universal basic income program, putting money in your pocket"?

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 4:18 pm
by wease
The government or candidate wouldn’t be directly paying the person, for one.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 4:33 pm
by oasisfan35
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 4:06 pm
oasisfan35 wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:22 pm
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 2:25 pm
oasisfan35 wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 1:40 pm
wease wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 12:49 pm Is that even legal?
Requires congressional approval, would cost over $1T in taxpayer funds as well.
I'll add, no I do not believe it to be legal but that doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle these days :roll:
I mean, isn’t it illegal to even offer to give someone money in exchange for voting a particular way?
18 U.S. Code § 597 - Expenditures to influence voting
Whoever makes or offers to make an expenditure to any person, either to vote or withhold his vote, or to vote for or against any candidate; and

Whoever solicits, accepts, or receives any such expenditure in consideration of his vote or the withholding of his vote—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
But ya know, just Trump being Trump.
That’s the part that absolutely enrages me. Can you imagine the backlash if Kamala had done that in the last election? Or if Biden or Obama or Hillary? Republicans would be (rightly) incensed about the very idea of bribing people for votes. But when Trump does it everyone’s response is it’s just “Trump being Trump.” Bullshit. I mean yes, in the sense it’s illegal and practically everything he does is a illegal or a lie, but we can’t have gotten to a place where someone can unabashedly break the law in no uncertain terms and everyone’s reaction be, “oh, well.”

The democrats and never Trumpers should issue a joint statement saying they’ll pay us $10,000 instead of just $5000. Hell, if it’s gonna be allowed, I want fair market value for my vote.
Indeed the selective outrage is quite remarkable. I definitely feel the ship is sinking (hopefully not the entire US) though I read this earlier that many that have been lock-step thus far in to the 2.0 experiment will die by Trump rather than defer... atrocious.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 5:20 pm
by B
Let's please sterilize anyone who cites this as a reason for voting for Trump. They're too stupid to reproduce.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 5:21 pm
by B
Fuck, Trump made me a eugenicist.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 6:04 pm
by oasisfan35
B wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 5:21 pm Fuck, Trump made me a eugenicist.
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Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 8:22 pm
by Simple Torture
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
Don't tread on me with your fucking "cheques."

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 8:54 pm
by B
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
We're expecting to get those right after our checks from all the DOGE savings. It's government. It works slow.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 9:10 pm
by epilogue
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
Oh honey...

No. Only corps got that money. Consumers never will, nor was that ever on the table.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 9:10 pm
by epilogue
B wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 8:54 pm
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
We're expecting to get those right after our checks from all the DOGE savings. It's government. It works slow.
Um, sorry, but... wasn't DOGE supposed to fix that?

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 10:29 pm
by oasisfan35
epilogue wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 9:10 pm
B wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 8:54 pm
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
We're expecting to get those right after our checks from all the DOGE savings. It's government. It works slow.
Um, sorry, but... wasn't DOGE supposed to fix that?
Depends on what you mean by 'fix'
Spoiler: show
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Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 10:37 pm
by epilogue
:lol:

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu September 10, 2026 10:51 pm
by Farmer John
Simple Torture wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 8:22 pm
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
Don't tread on me with your fucking "cheques."
Do me a favour and "cheque" that attitude at the door, pal.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to watch SportsCentre

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri September 11, 2026 1:38 am
by B

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri September 11, 2026 4:32 am
by spike
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 10:51 pm
Simple Torture wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 8:22 pm
Farmer John wrote: Thu September 10, 2026 3:21 pm Didn't he already send everyone $2000 each from all the tariff money? (I'm assuming everyone received their cheques)
Don't tread on me with your fucking "cheques."
Do me a favour and "cheque" that attitude at the door, pal.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to watch SportsCentre
I’m okay with invading Canada now.

Re: Re: The 47th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri September 11, 2026 11:31 am
by blueviper
I miss when Canada was our friend