Red Mosquito

It's all about themes echoing, rhyming and poetry.
Anyone in any family sees the same disaster unfold with the following generation.
This is just that

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:I am solo parenting tonight. Waiting on this post is gonna kill me

Doesn't Solo's parenting end up making another Darth Vader?

Promise me you'll never die.

The worst thing about this movie is that it renders the previous films meaningless. Everything is reset so they can shit out the same story again. The Empire is still the Empire, The Rebels are still rebels, Han and Leia aren't a thing anymore, farmboy (girl) has to go find a mysterious hermit. Nothing changed. Its all so pointless.

I hate when sequels ruin the previous movies.

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:Again it's not that there arent similar themes or plot points. There are - but I think they're part of the basic storytelling language of this universe, and they were all well executed

I never thought the universe was that rigidly defined at all. This is lock step. I'm not saying it doesn't need Jedi or storm troopers, but fuck, ANOTHER Death Star? Jesus.

I would be ok with another death star, but to destroy it in the same exact manner? With another x-wing trench run? come on..

BurtReynolds wrote:The worst thing about this movie is that it renders the previous films meaningless. Everything is reset so they can shit out the same story again. The Empire is still the Empire, The Rebels are still rebels, Han and Leia aren't a thing anymore, farmboy (girl) has to go find a mysterious hermit. Nothing changed. Its all so pointless.

I hate when sequels ruin the previous movies.

Life, man.

Sgt. Crackpot wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:I am solo parenting tonight. Waiting on this post is gonna kill me

opz

Doesn't Solo's parenting end up making another Darth Vader?

Promise me you'll never die.

I hate when sequels ruin the previous movies

The only thing worse than when the most cynical attitude is taken toward an audience is when they say "thank you."

dprival78 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:Again it's not that there arent similar themes or plot points. There are - but I think they're part of the basic storytelling language of this universe, and they were all well executed

I never thought the universe was that rigidly defined at all. This is lock step. I'm not saying it doesn't need Jedi or storm troopers, but fuck, ANOTHER Death Star? Jesus.

I would be ok with another death star, but to destroy it in the same exact manner? With another x-wing trench run? come on..

yeah this isn't similar storytelling language. This is note for note the same. Even the characters seemed utterly bored by it. Why should I be impressed when the people in the movie don't give a shit ?

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:Again it's not that there arent similar themes or plot points. There are - but I think they're part of the basic storytelling language of this universe, and they were all well executed

So you feel there aren't other stories worth telling in this universe?

Yes - and they are coming. But this one had to come first and the similarities are fine/often thematically important

Okay - give me a list of the familiar beats that bothered people. I'll respond point by point later (and I may agree on some. I just saw this and haven't had time to reflect

Expect this email early next year:

"Our new album is called Ten. Careful listeners will find several thematic similarities with past works. Reserve a copy via http://www.pearljam.com and we guarantee you won't get it until well after the release date."

dprival78 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:Again it's not that there arent similar themes or plot points. There are - but I think they're part of the basic storytelling language of this universe, and they were all well executed

I never thought the universe was that rigidly defined at all. This is lock step. I'm not saying it doesn't need Jedi or storm troopers, but fuck, ANOTHER Death Star? Jesus.

I would be ok with another death star, but to destroy it in the same exact manner? With another x-wing trench run? come on..

I definitely have a response for this and the desert planet

McParadigm wrote:Expect this email early next year:

"Our new album is called Ten. Careful listeners will find several thematic similarities with past works. Reserve a copy via http://www.pearljam.com and we guarantee you won't get it until well after the release date."

These overly familiar pearl jam posts in response to complaints about overly familiar Star Wars moments is excellent meta posting commentary

stip wrote:

dprival78 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

stip wrote:Again it's not that there arent similar themes or plot points. There are - but I think they're part of the basic storytelling language of this universe, and they were all well executed

I never thought the universe was that rigidly defined at all. This is lock step. I'm not saying it doesn't need Jedi or storm troopers, but fuck, ANOTHER Death Star? Jesus.

I would be ok with another death star, but to destroy it in the same exact manner? With another x-wing trench run? come on..

I definitely have a response for this and the desert planet

That's the one that actually bothered me a bit as i was watching. So blatant.

stip wrote:Okay - give me a list of the familiar beats that bothered people. I'll respond point by point later (and I may agree on some. I just saw this and haven't had time to reflect

I mean... like... all of it. Every thing. All the beats.

Except maybe Finn's story I guess? Or is he the Princess Leia this time around? They seemed to split Luke into two characters.

Or Luke and Han had babies. That's probably it.

Would any of these people have a problem if pearl jam recorded a new album that was ten or yield or no code type songs, just slightly tweaked?

I think not

You mean how all of their "anthems" since Yield have been a tweaked version of Given to Fly? Yeah, we've been bitching about that for a decade now.

dimejinky99 wrote:Would any of these people have a problem if pearl jam recorded a new album that was ten or yield or no code type songs, just slightly tweaked?

I think not

I look forward to fresh new hits like "Balanced Pour", "JustAsGoodAsTheLastMan" and "Fiven to Gly"

BurtReynolds wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Would any of these people have a problem if pearl jam recorded a new album that was ten or yield or no code type songs, just slightly tweaked?

I think not

I look forward to fresh new hits like "Balanced Pour", "JustAsGoodAsTheLastMan" and "Fiven to Gly"

Betterman?

I'm still still alive