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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 3:35 pm
by tree_
Yeah, it's like how some NFL owners order their GMs to trade for or draft players or direct their coaches to play a player. You don't always see the strings but they're there sometimes.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:13 pm
by lowlight79
VinylGuy wrote:where do you put Kennedy?
Lots of executive producers have creative input too Dime.
Kennedy had alot say, so I don't know what he's talking about.
For example, her and JJ felt not having Luke in the first film was needed, that was a HUGE mistake. I think that mostly led to the bad reaction of him in TLJ.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:16 pm
by epilogue
Ledbetterdays wrote:Just read a few posts that could be total BS from purported Lucasfilm insiders, but thought for what it is worth seems feasible. A few people who worked on the films have come out and said that JJ hated what Rian did with Last Jedi because it cut the legs out of all of the new ideas he had. Rey is nobody, Snoke is irrelevant, Luke is not Obi-Wan 2.0, etc.
The Kennedy lead Lucasfilm group loves Rian but Disney head honcho Bob Iger thought Last Jedi was a trainwreck for the franchise fracturing the fanbase, and after Colin Trevorrow was removed from the project, Kennedy wanted Rian Johnson to do IX, Iger refused and gave it to JJ.
So JJ consulted with Lucas since he had to go back to square one and they built a story around the Dagger of Mortis and closely related to the Clone Wars TV show. However, that storyline was rejected by Disney and so not only did JJ have to fix Last Jedi in Disney's eyes, he had to fix his and Lucas's ideas with Disney.
This is why the film was done so late and so many reshoots happened. I actually believe this because it makes sense. Why would they have Palpatine be the main bad guy again? JJ wanted Son of Mortis played by Matt Smith to be the main villain--his name was leaked to be involved and then was quickly deleted from any cast listings-- with Palpatine in the background but Disney thought it would be too confusing. So many reshoots left JJ unhappy and many of his and Lucas storylines ended up on the cutting room floor. This also makes sense because the family connection of Jannah is in the Visual Dictionary, as well as more detailed information that did not get included in the film. Maybe the novelization will pull some of this together.
This assumes with the mixed review of the film that Kennedy has a short timeline left at Lucasfilm, because under her leadership there has been a lot of turmoil on the film side of Star Wars, but that has been said for a few years now. However, with the success of Mandalorian, I think Jon Favreau might find his way closer to that spot sooner than later. He and Kevin Feige had a lot to do with the rise of the MCU and Feige is reported to be interested in developing a Star Wars movie.
Yeah that all sounds like total BS. Where did you see this originally?
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:22 pm
by dimejinky99
That’s from Reddit.
It’s total bull
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:26 pm
by Strat
I’m so glad this trilogy didn’t have the original three being the main characters or motivating forces of the movie. They were all used wonderfully to help push forward a new set of characters and story.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:27 pm
by epilogue
dimejinky99 wrote:That’s from Reddit.
It’s total bull
That's a pretty reliable source, no? Didn't Reddit co-write the movie?
BTW, dime, have gravity wells been mentioned in any other movie besides Solo prior to TROS?
It really stood out to me on the second view as a Solo reference. But maybe that's a recency thing?
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:42 pm
by epilogue
I was going to mention this last night but I... uh... got distracted

... BUT I noticed last night (missed it the first time) that Rey made her new saber from her staff. That's so awesome.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:48 pm
by Strat
durdencommatyler wrote:I was going to mention this last night but I... uh... got distracted

... BUT I noticed last night (missed it the first time) that Rey made her new saber from her staff. That's so awesome.
This is why I can’t wait for another viewing! Miss stuff like that on the first round
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 4:57 pm
by dimejinky99
durdencommatyler wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:That’s from Reddit.
It’s total bull
That's a pretty reliable source, no? Didn't Reddit co-write the movie?
BTW, dime, have gravity wells been mentioned in any other movie besides Solo prior to TROS?
It really stood out to me on the second view as a Solo reference. But maybe that's a recency thing?
Gravity wells?
I didn’t even catch it tbh?
I can’t recall them being mentioned before. Possibly in animated?
Didn’t that ship thrawn has that pulls ships out of hyperspace have something or mention of them?
My heads all over the place this week I can’t remember sorry man
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:11 pm
by dimejinky99
I only noticed last night that when she heals him, his scar on his face goes too
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:13 pm
by Jorge
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:16 pm
by VinylGuy
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:18 pm
by dimejinky99
In tfa she says to bb8 ‘me too. Big secret.’
I wonder has she always known
Long said her parents hid her to protect her but they maybe they were in the first order and protecting her from Snoke.
Wasn’t far off the mark.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:22 pm
by VinylGuy
Dime, did they mention something bout Palps having a kid or family? Maybe in a book or comic?
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:27 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Palps was probably not a great dad.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:30 pm
by epilogue
dimejinky99 wrote:I only noticed last night that when she heals him, his scar on his face goes too
I know! I noticed that last night too but not the first time. Made me tear up.

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:34 pm
by epilogue
Monkey_Driven wrote:Palps was probably not a great dad.

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:35 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:Dime, did they mention something bout Palps having a kid or family? Maybe in a book or comic?
Yeah, this is a great question.
I'm not aware of any reference, are you, dime?
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:48 pm
by dimejinky99
It’s never ever come up as far as I know. Not anywhere.
I’d say we’re getting that story in some form though.
Project luminous is nearly upon us and they have all kinds of stuff in store.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 23, 2019 5:54 pm
by Strat
dimejinky99 wrote:It’s never ever come up as far as I know. Not anywhere.
I’d say we’re getting that story in some form though.
Project luminous is nearly upon us and they have all kinds of stuff in store.
The whole palp thing and bringing him back is why I can totally understand the hatred for this movie and JJ.