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Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I think somethings going to come of Tyrion and Brandon’s conversation.
Hopefully Bran has acted or will act as an all seeing eye to help them plan against Cersei’s forces.
It might have already happened in that chat or in the next one. They need every advantage if they’ve had their own forces decimated. Which looks likely

They do have two dragons too

Do they? For some reason I thought another dragon was turned or killed during that fight.

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Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I think somethings going to come of Tyrion and Brandon’s conversation.
Hopefully Bran has acted or will act as an all seeing eye to help them plan against Cersei’s forces.
It might have already happened in that chat or in the next one. They need every advantage if they’ve had their own forces decimated. Which looks likely

They do have two dragons too

Do they? For some reason I thought another dragon was turned or killed during that fight.

There's two dragons in the preview for the next episode.

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Chris_H_2 wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Ice dragon destroys wall that stood for a thousand years with just a few puffs

Regular dragon can’t even melt little ice man.

speaking of, was that the first (and last) time the night king's facial expression changed (when he smirked after dany tried melting him)?

I believe so

He’s a king. You don’t think the guy has a stable of ice concubines back home? That was his O face.

He touches children

9.9/10

Apparently this is very good. I haven’t gone to see it

since there was no thematic reason for Arya to wipe out the undead army, they should now have Jon Snow kill Cersei. Just void any reason for this entire show.

Jons good at inspiring but not great at leading effectively. So you might see him sacrifice himself and finally be of some use in doing so. Him killing Cersei though?

You just know he wouldn’t be able to when it came to it. Doesn’t have the stones.

dimejinky99 wrote:Apparently this is very good. I haven’t gone to see it

so on point. I guess it did matter to a lot of fans that Jon kill the Night King. Hopefully GRRM doesn't fuck that up in the books.

I come back to the theory that Jon and Arya both planned to get to NK and it doesn’t matter who made the kill just as long as it was done.
I love the idea he was distracting the dragon at the gate in order for her to get past and get in to kill him

Monkey_Driven wrote:Jon is actually a very competent leader. He makes difficult decisions, trusts his gut when the time comes, defers to others, etc. He just operates in a world where tradition/birthright holds a lot of sway.

His strategic warfare skills leave a lot to be desired however.

I agree more with this, than with Dime's take on it.

He's a good man, like his uncle Ned (and probably his father Rhaegar), and only kills when he has to.

THats the problem though. He’s too noble and high minded. Which is fine until you’re against unknown quantities and unscrupulous opposition. He planned a typical martial response which is doomed to fail against a chaotic army of the dead that can’t be understood.

He’s about to deal with Cersei who isn’t playing by any rules at all whereas he is bound by them.

dimejinky99 wrote:THats the problem though. He’s too noble and high minded. Which is fine until you’re against unknown quantities and unscrupulous opposition. He planned a typical martial response which is doomed to fail against a chaotic army of the dead that can’t be understood.

He’s about to deal with Cersei who isn’t playing by any rules at all whereas he is bound by them.

Ned did win the last war, and Jon is doing well so far in this war. Yes, Ned fell into a trap in the end, but that was out of love for his friend. Jon has no such problem in regards to Cersei.

I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:THats the problem though. He’s too noble and high minded. Which is fine until you’re against unknown quantities and unscrupulous opposition. He planned a typical martial response which is doomed to fail against a chaotic army of the dead that can’t be understood.

He’s about to deal with Cersei who isn’t playing by any rules at all whereas he is bound by them.

Ned did win the last war, and Jon is doing well so far in this war. Yes, Ned fell into a trap in the end, but that was out of love for his friend. Jon has no such problem in regards to Cersei.

Not reaaaally. Ned was ready to help install Stanis on the throne. Yes, he loved Robert, but he was perfectly aware, with a clear head, that Robert's lusts and faults put the kingdom in a very perilous position. He fell into the trap because of his honor and his sense of duty.

Also, I think ya'll are underestimating Jon's death drive.

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Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:THats the problem though. He’s too noble and high minded. Which is fine until you’re against unknown quantities and unscrupulous opposition. He planned a typical martial response which is doomed to fail against a chaotic army of the dead that can’t be understood.

He’s about to deal with Cersei who isn’t playing by any rules at all whereas he is bound by them.

Ned did win the last war, and Jon is doing well so far in this war. Yes, Ned fell into a trap in the end, but that was out of love for his friend. Jon has no such problem in regards to Cersei.

Not reaaaally. Ned was ready to help install Stanis on the throne. Yes, he loved Robert, but he was perfectly aware, with a clear head, that Robert's lusts and faults put the kingdom in a very perilous position. He fell into the trap because of his honor and his sense of duty.

Also, I think ya'll are underestimating Jon's death drive.

The trap was going to King's Landing as the hand of the king. He fell into the trap because of his honos and his sense of duty, and his love for his friend. He died because of it.

Man, things would be so much better if Stannis had made it to the throne

Stannis was beyond awful. He would not have lasted as king in Kings Landing.

I was being sarcastic, btw

dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.

Dany is as ruthless as Cersei. Not as much of a villain, but certainly as ruthless.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I was being sarcastic, btw

Tricked me. But I do think many believe so.