BurtReynolds wrote:She murders people over a chair, and thinks she's owed it because of who her dad was.
I mean, that is a thing, but she plans to basically do what’s best for the smallfolk over anything g
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:35 am
by epilogue
Kaius wrote:But, so what? I still like her quest for justice. I just don’t know that we can call her noble. Not if Ned Stark is the standard of noble.
I'm not sure why both can't be true.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 10:41 am
by BurtReynolds
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 10:52 am
by dimejinky99
That’s amazing
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 2:36 pm
by spike
dimejinky99 wrote:Apparently this is very good. I haven’t gone to see it
spot on about the constant baiting the viewer/plot armor crap, as well as ending the dead vs the living arc with three episodes left. i hate this episode the more i think about it.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:10 pm
by JuanHamm
It's pretty mind blowing that they'd just cast aside the Night King like that.
They got it completely backwards.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:11 pm
by Mecca
I’m going to let the show resolve before I judge that aspect too harshly
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:24 pm
by spike
Mecca wrote:I’m going to let the show resolve before I judge that aspect too harshly
Yeah fair enough. This actually makes me hope for a Bran is the NK theory coming true. Previously thought it was stupid - and it is - but it’s one way to keep the mystical aspect going.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:27 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Mecca wrote:I’m going to let the show resolve before I judge that aspect too harshly
Now, why would you ever have a rational take like this?
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:28 pm
by spike
JuanHamm wrote:It's pretty mind blowing that they'd just cast aside the Night King like that.
They got it completely backwards.
Somehow, when it’s all said and done, the inevitable fucking Clegane Bowl will have more consequence to this story than the NK.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:37 pm
by Monkey_Driven
spike wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:It's pretty mind blowing that they'd just cast aside the Night King like that.
They got it completely backwards.
Somehow, when it’s all said and done, the inevitable fucking Clegane Bowl will have more consequence to this story than the NK.
How could you say this without seeing the final three episodes?
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 3:59 pm
by Mecca
If I had to guess Jon and Dany die because their forces are diminished from the battle of winterfell, making the NK impactful. Cersei also dies after winning, putting none of the 3 people on the throne we assumed would be ruling, but the long night threat is gone and so is the cruel Cersei, giving us a bittersweet ending
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 4:06 pm
by dimejinky99
What’s the play here?
How do you take over the capital when you really only have two dragons and obviously can’t unleash them on the city?
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:04 pm
by Norah
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.
You’re joking or I have the misunderstand?
You don’t think Dany is obsessed with the throne and that alone ?
I think it's WAY more complex than that. Reducing all of Dany's motivations and actions to "ruthless" and "obsessed" isn't really accurate or fair. And comparing her to Cersei is crazy, especially in the context of their individual motivations and actions.
If this show turns Dany into a paler, fire-breathing version of Cersei then I'll call bullshit on them. Not saying they won't do it, just that if they do then they aren't actually telling the story, rather they're forcing an outcome that is not supported at all by the text.
Joey gets it.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:09 pm
by dimejinky99
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.
You’re joking or I have the misunderstand?
You don’t think Dany is obsessed with the throne and that alone ?
I think it's WAY more complex than that. Reducing all of Dany's motivations and actions to "ruthless" and "obsessed" isn't really accurate or fair. And comparing her to Cersei is crazy, especially in the context of their individual motivations and actions.
If this show turns Dany into a paler, fire-breathing version of Cersei then I'll call bullshit on them. Not saying they won't do it, just that if they do then they aren't actually telling the story, rather they're forcing an outcome that is not supported at all by the text.
Joey gets it.
Joe doesn’t seem to realise they abandoned the text long ago. or rather they have no text.
To say Dany isn’t ruthless misses a large part of her character. Sure she’s noble and idealistic too, but not when her claim or mission for the throne is challenged.
Ask the tarlys
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 5:11 pm
by Norah
dimejinky99 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.
You’re joking or I have the misunderstand?
You don’t think Dany is obsessed with the throne and that alone ?
I think it's WAY more complex than that. Reducing all of Dany's motivations and actions to "ruthless" and "obsessed" isn't really accurate or fair. And comparing her to Cersei is crazy, especially in the context of their individual motivations and actions.
If this show turns Dany into a paler, fire-breathing version of Cersei then I'll call bullshit on them. Not saying they won't do it, just that if they do then they aren't actually telling the story, rather they're forcing an outcome that is not supported at all by the text.
Joey gets it.
Joe doesn’t seem to realise they abandoned the text long ago. or rather they have no text.
To say Dany isn’t ruthless misses a large part of her character. Sure she’s noble and idealistic too, but not when her claim or mission for the throne is challenged.
Ask the tarlys
You can be ruthless and still have a just, noble cause. At least in the context of the late middle ages social structure that this is set in.
The first thing we saw Ned Stark do was behead a man because he ran for his life.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm
by epilogue
Mecca wrote:I’m going to let the show resolve before I judge that aspect too harshly
You're a better man that I
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:29 pm
by epilogue
dimejinky99 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.
You’re joking or I have the misunderstand?
You don’t think Dany is obsessed with the throne and that alone ?
I think it's WAY more complex than that. Reducing all of Dany's motivations and actions to "ruthless" and "obsessed" isn't really accurate or fair. And comparing her to Cersei is crazy, especially in the context of their individual motivations and actions.
If this show turns Dany into a paler, fire-breathing version of Cersei then I'll call bullshit on them. Not saying they won't do it, just that if they do then they aren't actually telling the story, rather they're forcing an outcome that is not supported at all by the text.
Joey gets it.
Joe doesn’t seem to realise they abandoned the text long ago. or rather they have no text.
To say Dany isn’t ruthless misses a large part of her character. Sure she’s noble and idealistic too, but not when her claim or mission for the throne is challenged.
Ask the tarlys
For future reference when I say "text" I'm talking only about the show, not the books. Text being a stand-in term for the piece itself.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:30 pm
by epilogue
cutuphalfdead wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.
You’re joking or I have the misunderstand?
You don’t think Dany is obsessed with the throne and that alone ?
I think it's WAY more complex than that. Reducing all of Dany's motivations and actions to "ruthless" and "obsessed" isn't really accurate or fair. And comparing her to Cersei is crazy, especially in the context of their individual motivations and actions.
If this show turns Dany into a paler, fire-breathing version of Cersei then I'll call bullshit on them. Not saying they won't do it, just that if they do then they aren't actually telling the story, rather they're forcing an outcome that is not supported at all by the text.
Joey gets it.
Joe doesn’t seem to realise they abandoned the text long ago. or rather they have no text.
To say Dany isn’t ruthless misses a large part of her character. Sure she’s noble and idealistic too, but not when her claim or mission for the throne is challenged.
Ask the tarlys
You can be ruthless and still have a just, noble cause. At least in the context of the late middle ages social structure that this is set in.
The first thing we saw Ned Stark do was behead a man because he ran for his life.
Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Sat May 04, 2019 7:31 pm
by dimejinky99
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:I guess it’s a moot point cos he’s gonna defer to Dany whatever happens. And she’s lining up to be easily as ruthless as Cersei I’d say.
You’re joking or I have the misunderstand?
You don’t think Dany is obsessed with the throne and that alone ?
I think it's WAY more complex than that. Reducing all of Dany's motivations and actions to "ruthless" and "obsessed" isn't really accurate or fair. And comparing her to Cersei is crazy, especially in the context of their individual motivations and actions.
If this show turns Dany into a paler, fire-breathing version of Cersei then I'll call bullshit on them. Not saying they won't do it, just that if they do then they aren't actually telling the story, rather they're forcing an outcome that is not supported at all by the text.
Joey gets it.
Joe doesn’t seem to realise they abandoned the text long ago. or rather they have no text.
To say Dany isn’t ruthless misses a large part of her character. Sure she’s noble and idealistic too, but not when her claim or mission for the throne is challenged.
Ask the tarlys
For future reference when I say "text" I'm talking only about the show, not the books. Text being a stand-in term for the piece itself.
I think you’re on the money though. They’re gonna make a hard lurch with her character I reckon.
