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Following that logic Spenno, all we can take from this is that Trump & co don't like Muslims even when they're just standing around.

I'm sure there's laws protecting peaceful protest, never mind freedom of speech. She just stood up? How alarming
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dimejinky99 wrote:all we can take from this is that Trump & co don't like Muslims even when they're just standing around.
I think thats a fair assumption, heh. Trump would probably agree with that.
dimejinky99 wrote:I'm sure there's laws protecting peaceful protest, never mind freedom of speech. She just stood up? How alarming
there are. He didn't break any of them.
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dimejinky99 wrote: I'm sure there's laws protecting peaceful protest, never mind freedom of speech.
At a private event? No.
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In the interests of free speech and peaceful protest, I'm sure dime will gladly entertain this guy in his lounge room:

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No need for concern, he'll just stand about.
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There's nothing peaceful about that. That's practically hate speech.

I'm not arguing against Trump rally security's right to remove whomever from their private rally for any reason, but what was this lady doing other than looking like a Muslim? She must have entered the place just as everyone else? Was she holding up a hateful sign or shouting derogatory comments?
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I've only skim read reports but I believe she refused to sit down when asked, standing with 'I Come In Peace' written on her shirt.

Pretty mild, sure, but I can readily understand why she would be asked to leave even on that basis.
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Yes, she was certainly trying to disrupt his speech, even if it was mild and well-intentioned. It wasn't because she "looked Muslim."
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I know a thing about [bird] law. The facts are clear. objection, hearsay! I declare a kangaroo court.
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BurtReynolds wrote:I know a thing about [bird] law. The facts are clear. objection, hearsay! I declare a kangaroo court.
I'll allow it...but watch yourself, McCoy.
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Nobody has ever said "I come in peace" and not followed it with violence.

I see no crime.
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Doing anything other than what they did would only go against the racially divisive base Trump is attempting to propagate.
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On the other hand, I am truly and honestly comfortable supporting an effort to make political rallies illegal. Shoot on sight, officers. We come in peace.
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This morning on Meet The Press they said something that was both scary and oddly comforting. At this point it's appearing to be Cruz V. Trump. And that the republican establishment is ultimately going to probably getting behind Trump because Cruz is such an asshat. And the commentator pointed out that Trump, despite being a blowhard, is a guy trying to be popular. So should he get the nomination a lot of his stances will probably soften. Being seen as a negotiator will allow him more wiggle room within his base. Cruz being a hard line Tea Party type CANT deviate much.
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I dunno if that would be the case. Even if Cruz backpeddles a bit on some issues--immigration, taxes, defense spending--would Tea Party-ers ever vote for Clintob? You might argue that they'd stay home, but I doubt it if a Clinton win seemed likely.
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Simple Torture wrote:I dunno if that would be the case. Even if Cruz backpeddles a bit on some issues--immigration, taxes, defense spending--would Tea Party-ers ever vote for Clintob? You might argue that they'd stay home, but I doubt it if a Clinton win seemed likely.

Honestly, I think they were talking more about once actually IN the role as opposed to the election.
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Trump is my preferred candidate in this circus for just that reason. I also don't think he's much more extreme than most of these people
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Where are you guys on Bernie sanders?

He's all I'm seeing on my FB feed yet there's articles saying he's not gettin anything like the coverage Trump is despite him having a much bigger support base.
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The real bias in mainstream American journalism is a pro-corporate/pro-capitalism bias, so you aren't going to see much in the way of Sanders.

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I do think he is the only serious candidate in generations to actually understand what the fundamental issues are afflicting the United States, even if his presentation is a bit lacking in nuance
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stip wrote:I do think he is the only serious candidate in generations to actually understand what the fundamental issues are afflicting the United States, even if his presentation is a bit lacking in nuance

Which I think benefits him in getting his message out, but makes him entirely unelectable. He's basically Ralph Nader.
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