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LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:That's a lot of movies!

I've seen... maybe 10? And at least a few of them were better, for sure. Sisters was not better. An Honest Liar wasn't better. X-Men: Days of Future Past CERTAINLY wasn't better. The One I Love and Hello My Name is Doris are definitely both better.

I think I said it in my SCV segment but TFA is a good (or decent) movie but it's a great Star Wars movie. But, again, that bar isn't especially high for me. Empire is really the only Star Wars movie I'd call exceptional on a cinematic level.

Days of the Future Past is probably worse, yeah.

I still don't understand this whole "not a great movie, but a great Star Wars movie" logic. That makes no sense to me.

Because the aim is entirely different. A GREAT movie carves its own niche. Has it's own vision and own narrative (even if its a remake or reboot). This movie was aiming to recreate a feeling, to undo the sterile prequels. To reintroduce the fanbase into a "universe." Whether or not YOU felt that was successful is up for debate. For a lot of people The Force Awakens accomplished what they wanted it to do... make them feel like Star Wars was more Empire and less Clones.

Where did they state that was the aim of this movie?

BurtReynolds wrote:Where did they state that was the aim of this movie?

I mean the aim of those watching it. What they were hoping to get out of it. I stated that poorly. My apologies.

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:That's a lot of movies!

I've seen... maybe 10? And at least a few of them were better, for sure. Sisters was not better. An Honest Liar wasn't better. X-Men: Days of Future Past CERTAINLY wasn't better. The One I Love and Hello My Name is Doris are definitely both better.

I think I said it in my SCV segment but TFA is a good (or decent) movie but it's a great Star Wars movie. But, again, that bar isn't especially high for me. Empire is really the only Star Wars movie I'd call exceptional on a cinematic level.

Days of the Future Past is probably worse, yeah.

I still don't understand this whole "not a great movie, but a great Star Wars movie" logic. That makes no sense to me.

Because the aim is entirely different. A GREAT movie carves its own niche. Has it's own vision and own narrative (even if its a remake or reboot). This movie was aiming to recreate a feeling, to undo the sterile prequels. To reintroduce the fanbase into a "universe." Whether or not YOU felt that was successful is up for debate. For a lot of people The Force Awakens accomplished what they wanted it to do... make them feel like Star Wars was more Empire and less Clones.

I don't understanding how recapturing a feeling makes it a great Star Wars movie. That's not what the great Star Wars movies did.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:That's a lot of movies!

I've seen... maybe 10? And at least a few of them were better, for sure. Sisters was not better. An Honest Liar wasn't better. X-Men: Days of Future Past CERTAINLY wasn't better. The One I Love and Hello My Name is Doris are definitely both better.

I think I said it in my SCV segment but TFA is a good (or decent) movie but it's a great Star Wars movie. But, again, that bar isn't especially high for me. Empire is really the only Star Wars movie I'd call exceptional on a cinematic level.

Days of the Future Past is probably worse, yeah.

I still don't understand this whole "not a great movie, but a great Star Wars movie" logic. That makes no sense to me.

Because the aim is entirely different. A GREAT movie carves its own niche. Has it's own vision and own narrative (even if its a remake or reboot). This movie was aiming to recreate a feeling, to undo the sterile prequels. To reintroduce the fanbase into a "universe." Whether or not YOU felt that was successful is up for debate. For a lot of people The Force Awakens accomplished what they wanted it to do... make them feel like Star Wars was more Empire and less Clones.

I don't understanding how recapturing a feeling makes it a great Star Wars movie. That's not what the great Star Wars movies did.

Are the Star Wars movies technically great movies? Have the effects held up to still seem modern? Not at all. They just happened to strike that right balance (and frankly luck and timing) that speaks to the generation of people that demanded sequels and toys and millions of tie ins... which basically made the society, by and large, become nostalgic for what is at its core a decent movie series. The Force Awakens did a very good job of tapping into that for the masses. So there is no way to judge what a great Star Wars movie is. Either this movie gave you that feeling or it didnt... even if objectively you can say "yah, this movie isn't great"

Rian Johnson just tweeted huge screens with Maz on them so presumably she's back to tell that story that was for another time.

dimejinky99 wrote:Rian Johnson just tweeted huge screens with Maz on them so presumably she's back to tell that story that was for another time.

Aww fuck, looks like EP VIII is going to be a be a flashback episode

Yknow I wondered about that. Doesn't Looper have a few flashback sequences in it too?
If it furthers the story and works in it its fine. I'd rather see a flashback to events than have a character explaining the event.

I hope everything is a flashback but Rey's training montage and the construction of a larger starkiller base

stip wrote:I hope everything is a flashback but Rey's training montage and the construction of a larger starkiller base

You monster!

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:That's a lot of movies!

I've seen... maybe 10? And at least a few of them were better, for sure. Sisters was not better. An Honest Liar wasn't better. X-Men: Days of Future Past CERTAINLY wasn't better. The One I Love and Hello My Name is Doris are definitely both better.

I think I said it in my SCV segment but TFA is a good (or decent) movie but it's a great Star Wars movie. But, again, that bar isn't especially high for me. Empire is really the only Star Wars movie I'd call exceptional on a cinematic level.

Days of the Future Past is probably worse, yeah.

I still don't understand this whole "not a great movie, but a great Star Wars movie" logic. That makes no sense to me.

Because the aim is entirely different. A GREAT movie carves its own niche. Has it's own vision and own narrative (even if its a remake or reboot). This movie was aiming to recreate a feeling, to undo the sterile prequels. To reintroduce the fanbase into a "universe." Whether or not YOU felt that was successful is up for debate. For a lot of people The Force Awakens accomplished what they wanted it to do... make them feel like Star Wars was more Empire and less Clones.

I don't understanding how recapturing a feeling makes it a great Star Wars movie. That's not what the great Star Wars movies did.

Are the Star Wars movies technically great movies? Have the effects held up to still seem modern? Not at all. They just happened to strike that right balance (and frankly luck and timing) that speaks to the generation of people that demanded sequels and toys and millions of tie ins... which basically made the society, by and large, become nostalgic for what is at its core a decent movie series. The Force Awakens did a very good job of tapping into that for the masses. So there is no way to judge what a great Star Wars movie is. Either this movie gave you that feeling or it didnt... even if objectively you can say "yah, this movie isn't great"

Skitch gets it

I don't agree with that, for the record.

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LoathedVermin72 wrote:I don't agree with that, for the record.

Cool

I think the OT has held up pretty well, effects wise. I'm not sure i know what skitch means by whether they have help up "technically."? Like, craft wise? Execution? Performances? Editing? I would need specifics before j can choose a side here.

The VFX for the OT hold up well because Lucas updates them every third Saturday.

I don't really see what the effects have to do with anything

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I don't really see what the effects have to do with anything

What?! You love Michael Bay movies and thats all his movies are!