Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: Barring any of the violence I mentioned under my "scared" category, I don't believe this election has set us back 100 years; more like 16 years, to Bush's first term. We're faced with another buffoon who will fill his cabinet with selfish nitwits, they'll fuck up the world a little bit, then the dems will coast back in 2020. As to one of my largest concerns -- the environment -- I think Obama's Johnny Appleseed approach to private-sector economic initiatives for green companies will offset Trump's impacts to a significant degree. Wash, rinse, repeat, and spend the next four years praying no bombs go off because someone made fun of our President's hairline.

We're in the same boat with a lot of feelings, trag, but I'd caution on the bit I've bolded above. Remember: that's what most people said about Bush in 2000, too (just replace "2020" with "2004").

Ack, dammit, you're right. Couldn't you please just let me relax into complacency, ST?

tragabigzanda wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Orpheus wrote:
Allow me to rebutt: it's easy to not be hysterical when you are in the one group that is considered "off limits" to the new regime. Other people have very good reasons to be terrified.

Can you give me an example of what you mean? What groups, exactly, are suddenly 'on limits'?

Minority students in colleges who have to read signs saying that "vigilante squads" are coming to tar and feather them. Muslim women having their hijabs ripped off in broad daylight. Women being told "time to get back in the kitchen" at stoplights, and then when the attacker realizes they're Mexican, they add in "go back to your country." Things like "Trump'a America Now, Get Out N------" on the side of a bridge. The KKK openly marching in celebration in North Carolina. Women being openly groped in the streets.

All in the first 24 hours. So you know, no big deal.

My parents' former neighbors (who are white, one is even British) have an adopted daughter who is black, and she goes to a very, very white neighborhood elementary school. She came home yesterday to ask when she'd be leaving the school, because a number of her classmates told her that she's not allowed anymore because of the new president. USA?

That's pretty bad and it's tragic since we have existed as a nation for so long without any of this type of thing happening, but again, just so I fully understand, which laws or executive actions did Trump enact to cause this?

You're being disingenuous. Obviously, he has not passed any actions or supported any laws to cause something like this, but it's a clear example of how the rhetoric of his campaign has affected how very impressionable people--kids, in this case--misunderstand race. And Orpheus's examples are just a few of many that demonstrate that Trump's campaign has contributed to an atmosphere or permissiveness for acting racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, and misogynistic in public. None of us said this never happened before, but to pretend that this stuff isn't percolating to the surface and happening on a wider scale in a way it hasn't in years is absurd.

And before you say, "Those are all anecdotal," the data backs it up, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/us/po ... -rise.html

Is data presented by the NYT carrying as much weight these days?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This whole idea that straight white males aren't going to be affected by Trump's policies is asinine. This is a guy who is going to deregulate business, destroy the environment, and cripple the economy. We are all going to feel that shit. It's a different kind of threat, but let's not act like we're "safe."

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I've never felt my empathy and compassion be as tested as they are right now, because every instinct in me is telling me that all conservatives are fucking idiots and I don't want anything to do with them. Which makes me profoundly sad. I don't want to feel this way.

You don't have to. The tribalism that results from identity politics is toxic to our souls. Reject it and watch the world come alive again.

I know, but the other tribe sure doesn't make it very easy. And it's hard to keep that human torch burning when so few others do.

Simple Torture wrote:
You're being disingenuous. Obviously, he has not passed any actions or supported any laws to cause something like this, but it's a clear example of how the rhetoric of his campaign has affected how very impressionable people--kids, in this case--misunderstand race. And Orpheus's examples are just a few of many that demonstrate that Trump's campaign has contributed to an atmosphere or permissiveness for acting racist, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, and misogynistic in public. None of us said this never happened before, but to pretend that this stuff isn't percolating to the surface and happening on a wider scale in a way it hasn't in years is absurd.

bune wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I've never felt my empathy and compassion be as tested as they are right now, because every instinct in me is telling me that all conservatives are fucking idiots and I don't want anything to do with them. Which makes me profoundly sad. I don't want to feel this way.

You don't have to. The tribalism that results from identity politics is toxic to our souls. Reject it and watch the world come alive again.

Yes. Try for one day you to view yourself and those around you as human and not some hyphenated string of intersections. You will be a lot of happier.

Bi_3 wrote:

bune wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I've never felt my empathy and compassion be as tested as they are right now, because every instinct in me is telling me that all conservatives are fucking idiots and I don't want anything to do with them. Which makes me profoundly sad. I don't want to feel this way.

You don't have to. The tribalism that results from identity politics is toxic to our souls. Reject it and watch the world come alive again.

Yes. Try for one day you to view yourself and those around you as human and not some hyphenated string of intersections. You will be a lot of happier.

Strat wrote:but im really curious to watch trump moving forward in how he speaks about affairs.

Green Habit wrote:

Strat wrote:but im really curious to watch trump moving forward in how he speaks about affairs.

I'm sure I first read this much differently than was your intent.

Orpheus wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:This whole idea that straight white males aren't going to be affected by Trump's policies is asinine. This is a guy who is going to deregulate business, destroy the environment, and cripple the economy. We are all going to feel that shit. It's a different kind of threat, but let's not act like we're "safe."

We are in a whole other ballpark of safe than these vulnerable groups. I get a nice haircut and I can pass. Other folks aren't so lucky.

McParadigm wrote:A bunch of his campaign promises disappeared off his website this week. Muslim bans, Paris Accord dismissal, etc.

God willing.

We owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country," Trump said, complimenting her long history of public service.
He also reached out to those who hadn't voted for him.
"I pledge to every citizen of our land that I will be President for all of Americans, and this is so important to me. For those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, I'm reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country," Trump said.

Mr President, it was a great honor being with you and I look forward to being with you many, many more times," Trump said.
The President-elect also said he would seek "counsel" from Obama.
As the pool of reporters were led out, Trump told them several times that Obama was "a very good man."

Biff Pocoroba wrote:

Love the look on their faces.
Obama: "I can't believe this clown pulled it off"
Trump: "Crap, what have I gotten myself into"

dimejinky99 wrote:

Biff Pocoroba wrote:

Love the look on their faces.
Obama: "I can't believe this clown pulled it off"
Trump: "Crap, what have I gotten myself into"

Exactly this. Trump never expected or wanted this. That's bad news cos he's gonna let Pence steer the ship.


We're gonna need a bigger fan.