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Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:21 pm
by epilogue
Man, I haven't taroted in an age!

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:22 pm
by AllNiteThing
Thejambi wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
Thejambi wrote:[Backspacer had the shit promoted out of it with 2 radio "hits". Much , much, much more so than Riot Act. Doesn't not mean it ranks higher than RA except for success. .
IlluminEddie wrote: So, you're saying Riot Act didn't have any hits? I agree. That could be one reason it sucks.
Thejambi wrote:I am not a Riot Act fan . It is not a radio album. I like Backspacer better but I'd have to say the quality of the songs on RA are better.
First, we were discussing sales as a proxy for ranking albums. He thought it wasn't a good one and I asked to suggest better. I said a survey would probably best. There was no response to that, but then (as one can see above) it was implied that the only reason Backspacer had better sales was because of “hits”. I responded that yeh - RA didn’t have any hits. Then somehow the quality factor was brought into play, he claimed the quality was better on RA.

So, yes, I still say there was an implication within the entire context that radio hits are NOT synonymous with high quality. At the very least this was implied with Backspacer. So, to find out, I asked the question using another example with Adele (rolling in the deep example), which was ignored.

That's pretty much where we are.

I say - anyone who thinks songs are higher quality because they played less on the radio is an idiot. And further anyone who thinks an album is higher quality because it has no radio hits is an idiot too.
I'll break it down:
Sales do not equate quality as you have suggested.
Backspacer sold more because it was promoted more and had radio success.
I think Riot Act is a more quality album in terms of musicianship.
I just happen to enjoy Backspacer more for the qualities that made it more radio friendly.
I don't always like more radio friendly attributes but in this case I do.
If I was asked to rank based on quality I would put RA ahead .
If I was asked which I enjoyed more to listen to it would be BS.

Is that better?

You forgot Adele.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:22 pm
by Lament
Look out guys. IlluminEddie is going Galt.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:23 pm
by gems and rhinestones
The whole album sales thing is ignorant. I think anyone who thinks album sales is what makes an album good should be banned by Stip immediately. Or at the very least forced to listen to Po & the 4Fathers on repeat til Lightning Bolt comes out.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:23 pm
by harmless
News just in: IlluminEddie was just kidding about everything.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:23 pm
by hlniv
All you people are crazy. Just swimmin' in it.

I give up on trying to keep up with this thread. Glad the song's out so I don't have to anymore.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:23 pm
by Dr. Van Nostrand
i feel like i am happy i wasnt around during all that stuff

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:23 pm
by Heathen
AllNiteThing wrote:
Thejambi wrote:
IlluminEddie wrote:
Thejambi wrote:[Backspacer had the shit promoted out of it with 2 radio "hits". Much , much, much more so than Riot Act. Doesn't not mean it ranks higher than RA except for success. .
IlluminEddie wrote: So, you're saying Riot Act didn't have any hits? I agree. That could be one reason it sucks.
Thejambi wrote:I am not a Riot Act fan . It is not a radio album. I like Backspacer better but I'd have to say the quality of the songs on RA are better.
First, we were discussing sales as a proxy for ranking albums. He thought it wasn't a good one and I asked to suggest better. I said a survey would probably best. There was no response to that, but then (as one can see above) it was implied that the only reason Backspacer had better sales was because of “hits”. I responded that yeh - RA didn’t have any hits. Then somehow the quality factor was brought into play, he claimed the quality was better on RA.

So, yes, I still say there was an implication within the entire context that radio hits are NOT synonymous with high quality. At the very least this was implied with Backspacer. So, to find out, I asked the question using another example with Adele (rolling in the deep example), which was ignored.

That's pretty much where we are.

I say - anyone who thinks songs are higher quality because they played less on the radio is an idiot. And further anyone who thinks an album is higher quality because it has no radio hits is an idiot too.
I'll break it down:
Sales do not equate quality as you have suggested.
Backspacer sold more because it was promoted more and had radio success.
I think Riot Act is a more quality album in terms of musicianship.
I just happen to enjoy Backspacer more for the qualities that made it more radio friendly.
I don't always like more radio friendly attributes but in this case I do.
If I was asked to rank based on quality I would put RA ahead .
If I was asked which I enjoyed more to listen to it would be BS.

Is that better?

You forgot Adele.
As did everyone else.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:24 pm
by Thejambi
Adele is phenomenal .

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:24 pm
by Lament
durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I haven't taroted in an age!
One of my freelance gigs this summer was writing about tarot cards for some psychic website. I'd never taroted before, and writing about that shit made me realize why.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:25 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Hey chud, remember viper271 during the Backspacer days? Doesn't IlluminEddie remind you of him?

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:25 pm
by broken iris
What would Adele think about Sirens?

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:25 pm
by McParadigm
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:i feel like i am happy
So, it could be a trick, then?

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:26 pm
by Norah
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Hey chud, remember viper271 during the Backspacer days? Doesn't IlluminEddie remind you of him?
oh shi-

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:26 pm
by stip
dimejinky99 wrote:Stip

Pearl jam have just written a bigger anthem than their flagship anthem 'Alive'

Your rebuttal
I don't think I like what you're implying

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:26 pm
by Thejambi
McParadigm wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:i feel like i am happy
So, it could be a trick, then?
All signs point to yes.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:27 pm
by AllNiteThing
broken iris wrote:What would Adele think about Sirens?

It hasn't sold as much as Last Kiss, so it sucks.

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:27 pm
by gems and rhinestones
broken iris wrote:What would Adele think about Sirens?
Who cares I only want to know what would Molly Ringwald think of Sirens?

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:29 pm
by epilogue
Lament wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:Man, I haven't taroted in an age!
One of my freelance gigs this summer was writing about tarot cards for some psychic website. I'd never taroted before, and writing about that shit made me realize why.
What? Are you against fun or something?
Spoiler: show
:mrgreen:

Re: New Song (9.19.13): Sirens

Posted: Thu September 19, 2013 8:29 pm
by Lament
gems and rhinestones wrote:
broken iris wrote:What would Adele think about Sirens?
Who cares I only want to know what would Molly Ringwald think of Sirens?
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