Red Mosquito

Google lies. They're also Too busy funnellling all their non taxed money through Ireland.

Climate change may be escalating so fast it could be "game over"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scie ... 07881.html

I think the interesting thing to see is what happens if we see more articles like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/po ... -team.html

Would Trump supporters turn against him if he doesn't really give a shit about fulfilling campaign promises? Republican voters were certainly more than willing to vote against office holders in a primary during the past eight years if they felt they weren't living up to their standard. But only a partisan would not admit that this is fair accountability journalism. So if Trump reneges on the wall, Obamacare, etc., and basically starts putting together a White House akin to W.'s first term, does he lose their support? I'm kind of doubtful, but don't really know.

As if Democrats weren't depressed enough:

digster wrote:I think the interesting thing to see is what happens if we see more articles like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/po ... -team.html

Would Trump supporters turn against him if he doesn't really give a shit about fulfilling campaign promises? Republican voters were certainly more than willing to vote against office holders in a primary during the past eight years if they felt they weren't living up to their standard. But only a partisan would not admit that this is fair accountability journalism. So if Trump reneges on the wall, Obamacare, etc., and basically starts putting together a White House akin to W.'s first term, does he lose their support? I'm kind of doubtful, but don't really know.

He'll lose a minimum amount of support by definition of transforming from anti-establishment to the most established office in the world. We'll see if anything you mention will add to that.

My buddy sent me a text of a fake Kurt Cobain quote from '93 in which he predicts a Trump presidency.

wease wrote:My buddy sent me a text of a fake Kurt Cobain quote from '93 in which he predicts a Trump presidency.

All that I will accept is "Simpsons did it".

Green Habit wrote:

digster wrote:I think the interesting thing to see is what happens if we see more articles like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/po ... -team.html

Would Trump supporters turn against him if he doesn't really give a shit about fulfilling campaign promises? Republican voters were certainly more than willing to vote against office holders in a primary during the past eight years if they felt they weren't living up to their standard. But only a partisan would not admit that this is fair accountability journalism. So if Trump reneges on the wall, Obamacare, etc., and basically starts putting together a White House akin to W.'s first term, does he lose their support? I'm kind of doubtful, but don't really know.

He'll lose a minimum amount of support by definition of transforming from anti-establishment to the most established office in the world. We'll see if anything you mention will add to that.

Yeah...like today saying he might not repeal all of Obamacare. A Republican Congressman saying that that would have gotten a primary challenge easily. I'm just curious if that same kind of zeal is going to apply to Trump.

wease wrote:My buddy sent me a text of a fake Kurt Cobain quote from '93 in which he predicts a Trump presidency.

YOU MEAN IT'S NOT REAL?!?

tragabigzanda wrote:

Hatfield wrote:Think Trump could pull an LBJ?

How do you mean? The immediate transition to power/stability after a traumatic event? Following through on his predecessor's goals? Or the Vietnam stuff?

Like do whatever he can to get to the highest office and then gets there and tries to be the best President ever, reversing himself on positions he held for a lifetime (ie. civil rights)

Green Habit wrote:

digster wrote:I think the interesting thing to see is what happens if we see more articles like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/po ... -team.html

Would Trump supporters turn against him if he doesn't really give a shit about fulfilling campaign promises? Republican voters were certainly more than willing to vote against office holders in a primary during the past eight years if they felt they weren't living up to their standard. But only a partisan would not admit that this is fair accountability journalism. So if Trump reneges on the wall, Obamacare, etc., and basically starts putting together a White House akin to W.'s first term, does he lose their support? I'm kind of doubtful, but don't really know.

He'll lose a minimum amount of support by definition of transforming from anti-establishment to the most established office in the world. We'll see if anything you mention will add to that.

"The media takes him literally but not seriously, his supporters take him seriously but not literally"

I doubt he will lose much support except from the alt-right crazies. Like every President before him, when faced with the reality of that responsibility, he will temper his rhetoric and shift his policies towards the center. His supporters realize this even while media is still throwing out scare stories and temper tantrums.

When even Joe Scarborough and Michael Moore get it, perhaps it's time for the rest of the media to finally admit the reality of what just happened.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/11/micha ... ist-video/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11 ... acare.html

lol

Strat wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/11/president-elect-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-obamacare.html

lol

Classic B

really dropping the ball lately on that one.

It was even on the same page.

I have no doubt that many Trump voters are fine people. But in practice their vote has emboldened a lot of awful people, and they seem to be largely in denial of that.

Orpheus wrote:I have no doubt that many Trump voters are fine people. But in practice their vote has emboldened a lot of awful people, and they seem to be largely in denial of that.

there are awful people on both sides. it would be nice if the leadership on both sides came out and denounced them and some of the ugly behavior we've seen.

Bi_3 wrote:

Green Habit wrote:

digster wrote:I think the interesting thing to see is what happens if we see more articles like this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/po ... -team.html

Would Trump supporters turn against him if he doesn't really give a shit about fulfilling campaign promises? Republican voters were certainly more than willing to vote against office holders in a primary during the past eight years if they felt they weren't living up to their standard. But only a partisan would not admit that this is fair accountability journalism. So if Trump reneges on the wall, Obamacare, etc., and basically starts putting together a White House akin to W.'s first term, does he lose their support? I'm kind of doubtful, but don't really know.

He'll lose a minimum amount of support by definition of transforming from anti-establishment to the most established office in the world. We'll see if anything you mention will add to that.

"The media takes him literally but not seriously, his supporters take him seriously but not literally"

I doubt he will lose much support except from the alt-right crazies. Like every President before him, when faced with the reality of that responsibility, he will temper his rhetoric and shift his policies towards the center. His supporters realize this even while media is still throwing out scare stories and temper tantrums.

Eh, we'll see. It's possible the unique things that made him a successful candidate also make him susceptible to a quick turnaround from his supporters. I would tend to agree that it won't lose him much support; confirmation bias will turn politics as usual into Trump draining the swamp. But his worry should be that he doesn't have much room to lose support.