yeah, i havent watched the whole video, but she raises some good points specially in the storytelling and pace of the movie.
I havent thought on how stupid was that flashback of rey´s mom until she pointed out
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:00 pm
by blueviper
VinylGuy wrote:What would have done:
- Get Luke´s return in TFA, with Han coming for him. Luke is with Rey when Kylo kill Han. At the end of that movie he decides to train Rey in the island.
- In TLJ we discover about Rey´s linage and Palps return...maybe at the end of the movie (it also mirros Empire! Poetry). Give more insight to how Palps return.
- ROS is about Rey´s trying not to fall for the dark side. And about Kylo finally coming to light. Rey kills the emperor and become the baddie and Ben reedems himself when he kills her and brings back Rey. (Also mirros ROTJ). The end of the movie is Rey alone, not in tattoine but in the Jedi Island with Luke trying to setup a new academy.
Yes, this would make the whole trilogy a lot better. I'd still gripe about the return of Palpatine but in this instance they make it sounds like it wasn't tacked on.
Still think it was a mistake that we didn't see a flourishing jedi academy with Luke Skywalker.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:03 pm
by Anders
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:35 pm
by dimejinky99
Hammer meet nail.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:40 pm
by Anders
Luke was perfectly handled in both TFA and TROS. So don’t see the problem.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:49 pm
by blueviper
dimejinky99 wrote:Hammer meet nail.
It's not a problem. It's an answer. It's telling him that Luke should be the main focus, and the "younger generation" take a backseat.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:50 pm
by Monkey_Driven
Anders wrote:Luke was perfectly handled in both TLJ. So don’t see the problem.
FTFY
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:51 pm
by VinylGuy
Anders wrote:
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:52 pm
by VinylGuy
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:Hammer meet nail.
It's not a problem. It's an answer. It's telling him that Luke should be the main focus, and the "younger generation" take a backseat.
exactly.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 7:56 pm
by Anders
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Anders wrote:Luke was perfectly handled in both TLJ. So don’t see the problem.
FTFY
He could have had a similar story, but been a lot better in TLJ. Something was just off there. Probably Hamill not liking the twist part of it.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 8:39 pm
by dimejinky99
blueviper wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:Hammer meet nail.
It's not a problem. It's an answer. It's telling him that Luke should be the main focus, and the "younger generation" take a backseat.
You clearly don’t know how story telling works. Or filmmaking narrative.
It’s not Luke’s story anymore.
Han Luke and leia *still* running around th galaxy on hijinx adventures would see you exactly here complaining about why are there old people ruining Star Wars? They could have so easily brought in a new set of characters.
Don’t even lie. You would.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 8:45 pm
by BurtReynolds
theplatypus wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I like this girl a lot, and she makes a lot of really good points here, especially about the climax of the film and how deeply stupid a storytelling choice it is to have Rey be a Palpatine.
I need to stop thinking about this movie
If I wrote a screenplay, I'd want to run it by her first to see if it sucked. Few seem to understand that things need to be properly set up first and paid off later. Yet the most highly paid people in Hollywood do not understand this.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:13 pm
by Let's all laugh at Rangers
I guess I'm still bitterly disappointed about the other 2 Star Wars stories not being in the same vein as Rogue One. Maybe I can watch them at home at some point, but wouldn't go to the cinema for them. I could probably pick plenty of faults in the trilogy (well probably all 9 films), but any fault I find in them just feels insignificant to wasting 2 films on fictional biopics. Whatever the pros and cons, and whatever Disney, Abrams and Johnson got wrong, they got off their arses and made the films. Considering no-one else was prepared to do that, I have to give them their due for that.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:15 pm
by Anders
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:I guess I'm still bitterly disappointed about the other 2 Star Wars stories not being in the same vein as Rogue One. Maybe I can watch them at home at some point, but wouldn't go to the cinema for them. I could probably pick plenty of faults in the trilogy (well probably all 9 films), but any fault I find in them just feels insignificant to wasting 2 films on fictional biopics. Whatever the pros and cons, and whatever Disney, Abrams and Johnson got wrong, they got off their arses and made the films. Considering no-one else was prepared to do that, I have to give them their due for that.
Which other two stories? Solo and?
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:17 pm
by Let's all laugh at Rangers
Anders wrote:
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:I guess I'm still bitterly disappointed about the other 2 Star Wars stories not being in the same vein as Rogue One. Maybe I can watch them at home at some point, but wouldn't go to the cinema for them. I could probably pick plenty of faults in the trilogy (well probably all 9 films), but any fault I find in them just feels insignificant to wasting 2 films on fictional biopics. Whatever the pros and cons, and whatever Disney, Abrams and Johnson got wrong, they got off their arses and made the films. Considering no-one else was prepared to do that, I have to give them their due for that.
Which other two stories? Solo and?
Kenobi.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:18 pm
by Anders
BurtReynolds wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I like this girl a lot, and she makes a lot of really good points here, especially about the climax of the film and how deeply stupid a storytelling choice it is to have Rey be a Palpatine.
I need to stop thinking about this movie
If I wrote a screenplay, I'd want to run it by her first to see if it sucked. Few seem to understand that things need to be properly set up first and paid off later. Yet the most highly paid people in Hollywood do not understand this.
Considering that she didn’t like Joker, or seem too pleased with Endgame, perhaps Hollywood knows better after all?
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:19 pm
by Anders
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:
Anders wrote:
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:I guess I'm still bitterly disappointed about the other 2 Star Wars stories not being in the same vein as Rogue One. Maybe I can watch them at home at some point, but wouldn't go to the cinema for them. I could probably pick plenty of faults in the trilogy (well probably all 9 films), but any fault I find in them just feels insignificant to wasting 2 films on fictional biopics. Whatever the pros and cons, and whatever Disney, Abrams and Johnson got wrong, they got off their arses and made the films. Considering no-one else was prepared to do that, I have to give them their due for that.
Which other two stories? Solo and?
Kenobi.
It’s going to be a limited tv-series, and hasn’t been released yet.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:22 pm
by Jorge
Anders wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I like this girl a lot, and she makes a lot of really good points here, especially about the climax of the film and how deeply stupid a storytelling choice it is to have Rey be a Palpatine.
I need to stop thinking about this movie
If I wrote a screenplay, I'd want to run it by her first to see if it sucked. Few seem to understand that things need to be properly set up first and paid off later. Yet the most highly paid people in Hollywood do not understand this.
Considering that she didn’t like Joker, or seem too pleased with Endgame, perhaps Hollywood knows better after all?
Joker did actually kind of suck
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker
Posted: Mon December 30, 2019 9:24 pm
by BurtReynolds
I'm under no delusions that Endgame is a great movie, but I enjoyed it as a comic book nerd.
