Election 2016

[dimejinky99]

How wil he deal with the Native American population and what's going on with the pipe in particular

[Strat]

How wil he deal with the Native American population and what's going on with the pipe in particular

drill baby drill!

[Wendy Carlos's Twin]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

[dimejinky99]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

[Jorge]

Obama has been deporting the shit out of illegals during his presidency. People are acting like this is some horrible new development.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-d ... d=41715661

How many people have been deported under Obama?
President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."

Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

How does he compare to other presidents?
According to governmental data, the Obama administration has deported more people than any other president's administration in history.

In fact, they have deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century.

President George W. Bush's administration deported just over two million during his time in office; and Obama’s numbers don’t reflect his last year in office, for which data is not yet available.

QUICK - TO THE STREETS!

There have been protests over this. A lot of them. Remember the Hispanic trans activist who was kicked out of the White House some months ago?

[dimejinky99]

Millions deported?

I'm not buying that. The state department or whoever it is would have to have millions of staff to carry out the deportations. Up to and including accompanying the deportee on the plane back to their country. Which is bigly expensive and time consuming.

[Norah]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18053715/ns/politics/t/maryland-sidesteps-electoral-college/#.WCfa6uErKRs

Maryland officially became the first state on Tuesday to approve a plan to give its electoral votes for president to the winner of the national popular vote instead of the candidate chosen by state voters.

updated 4/11/2007 11:17:13 AM ET

bahahaha!! Shit. Usually I catch that. Sorry. Lets delete. I should hace known considering who posted it on facebook. Thanks.

If I remember correctly the states that passed laws like this have stipulations in them that they would only be enacted if enough states passed similar laws to render the electoral college moot.

[Simple Torture]

Priebus and Steve Bannon were named to top positions today. Former RM celebrity Mickey shared this compilation of headlines that Bannon has published:

[Rangi Guy]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

For what it's worth - I'm pretty much team Spenno on all of this. The idea of protesting a democratic election result is the strangest thing to me. It's not like this election was rigged, or that Trump charmed his way in only to then show his true hidden agenda. What is there to protest?

[dimejinky99]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

For what it's worth - I'm pretty much team Spenno on all of this. The idea of protesting a democratic election result is the strangest thing to me. It's not like this election was rigged, or that Trump charmed his way in only to then show his true hidden agenda. What is there to protest?

How democratically elected are you if you've lost the popular vote?

Electoral college needs to go.

[dimejinky99]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

For what it's worth - I'm pretty much team Spenno on all of this. The idea of protesting a democratic election result is the strangest thing to me. It's not like this election was rigged, or that Trump charmed his way in only to then show his true hidden agenda. What is there to protest?

Protest is healthy. At least they did that.

All the republitards did when obama was elected was threaten his life from behind the safety of their keyboards. They COULDNT march in protest of their belief. Seem to be actually racist?? In the public eye??

No way!! I'll just hide at home and so it from my moms basement where I live cos I'm 40 and have no life of my own and don't realise what a good change is when I see it.

[Jorge]

I disagree with Rangi that protesting serves no purpose, for the reasons I outlined in my earlier post. But the thing about the electoral college is that it was agreed upon prior to the election. If all this kicking and screaming leads to any sort of re-evaluation of the system, it's going to affect the next election, not this one retroactively.

[Norah]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

For what it's worth - I'm pretty much team Spenno on all of this. The idea of protesting a democratic election result is the strangest thing to me. It's not like this election was rigged, or that Trump charmed his way in only to then show his true hidden agenda. What is there to protest?

How democratically elected are you if you've lost the popular vote?

Electoral college needs to go.

I don't know if it does. I've said it before that it should go, but if I'm being honest with myself it's been an emotional reaction to my side losing.

But American Democracy is not a direct democracy by design. When this country was set up there was a balance constructed between states having an equal voice regardless of population, and pure majority rule. It's why we have a House of Representatives where representation is based purely on population, and an equally powerful Senate in which each states voice is counted equally regardless of population. The electoral college is another example of trying to balance those two. It might sound like a good idea to get rid of it in the wake of 2000 and now 2016, but there's a reason why the minority needs protection from the majority.

[Norah]

I disagree with Rangi that protesting serves no purpose, for the reasons I outlined in my earlier post. But the thing about the electoral college is that it was agreed upon prior to the election. If all this kicking and screaming leads to any sort of re-evaluation of the system, it's going to affect the next election, not this one retroactively.

Also, these protests aren't necessarily protesting the results of the election, and more that they're protesting the President-elect himself. Just because someone or something is elected or legislated through all proper channels of due process, doesn't mean the people can't protest against it.

[Rangi Guy]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

For what it's worth - I'm pretty much team Spenno on all of this. The idea of protesting a democratic election result is the strangest thing to me. It's not like this election was rigged, or that Trump charmed his way in only to then show his true hidden agenda. What is there to protest?

How democratically elected are you if you've lost the popular vote?

Electoral college needs to go.

Then protest it before the election - not after it doesn't go your way

[Strat]

They aren't just protesting the outcome. C'mon. There is more to it than that.

"If you're a Trump voter who is tired of being called a bigot, if you say you voted for him based on gun rights or economic issues, or because you think Hillary really was that awful, and in spite of his rhetoric, rather than because of it, I believe you. If you're in my life, I clearly don't think you're a vile hateful person. But if you're now watching protests across the country and you don't understand why, or think they are just being sore losers, let me break something down for you. These people aren't just angry or sad that someone they didn't support won the election, they're scared.

They're black Americans who hear talk of law and order and remember a racially charged stop and frisk program, or see an emboldened KKK holding a celebratory parade.

They're Muslim Americans who worry that spitting in their face is now okay and violations of their rights to assemble and their rights to privacy are about to come.

They're LGBT Americans who fear not just of the loss of marriage rights or restaurants gaining the right not to serve them, but of an administration that thinks it's more important to research electrocuting the gay out of them than AIDS.

They're Hispanic and Latino Americans who are scared their children will be bullied in schools, and their families ripped apart while their culture is mocked.

They're women who are wondering if we've normalized groping, and if their career endeavors will be judged by their face and body, and not their minds

I believe you when you say you didn't vote for any of these things. Most of America wasn't thrilled with the choices we had in this election. But If you didn't know that this is why they're protesting, if you think it's really just about free tuition or more government giveaways, then you, like the elite liberals you love to castigate, have also not been listening. If you're tired of being called a bigot, then you need to use the same voice you used on Tuesday and speak out against these things fully and clearly. It's not enough that you didn't say them yourself. You need to reassure your friends and family members who feel like they no longer have a seat at the table that you still stand with them, even if your priorities were different on Tuesday. If you aren't willing to do that, then you have no right to call for unity." - Michael Rex

[Norah]

Just read some of the Twitter responses to Oprah's "Hope Lives" remark... what fucking planet are these people on? Should have taken my own advice but I figure if Oprah would say "we can be unified and make this work", progressives would listen.

The irony here is that only Trump can create the calm she's talking about. If you are a Dreamer, an environment voter, or a member of the LGBT community (among others), this is a president who has expressed an interest in doing things that could cause irreparable harm in terms of its impact on you. If he were to begin talking about his actual plans as president, and if they were deeply tempered in the way his rhetoric about Obama has become, then you'd see a lot of calming down.

If Hillary had won on a platform that vowed to take all guns away, and to place the name of anyone owning more than 5 on a public "dangerous peoples" list, I wouldn't expect or try to scold gun owners to play nice about it, either.

Our non-US friends obviously don't understand this at all.

It's almost like Hitler being elected president, but with the public knowing clear well in advance that he is planning the holocaust.

It's scary, scary shit. Not to be taken lightly.

Your non US friends probably have a much clearer unbiased view to be fair.
Except spenno. Who wants to burn abbos fags and democracy.

For what it's worth - I'm pretty much team Spenno on all of this. The idea of protesting a democratic election result is the strangest thing to me. It's not like this election was rigged, or that Trump charmed his way in only to then show his true hidden agenda. What is there to protest?

How democratically elected are you if you've lost the popular vote?

Electoral college needs to go.

Then protest it before the election - not after it doesn't go your way

It's always before the next election.

[Norah]

Should have protested against segregation before Plessy v Ferguson, not after.

[Self]

I don't get the push back against non-violent protests. I read shit about Trump supporters showing up in DC with guns if Hillary won, and now protests are stupid. Just accept it an move on.

[Self]