Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

tragabigzanda wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

- Of course the protests are in liberal cities due to the fact that liberal cities are where protestors are largely located
- Of course the protest is taking place before he's even sworn in due to the fact that it's a direct reaction to the election

I'm wondering what your ideal protest would look like. "OK fam I know we're all upset right now but let's all get organized and meet up in Topeka Kansas on January 21st"

Something like this would be waaaaay better. Remember how the Occupy movement fizzled out in a lack of clear direction? This thing right now is directionless, it's just emotion. Everyone on the same day, at the same time and place, would be a step in the right direction, provided it was non-violent.

BurtReynolds wrote:And MLK marched through Alabama, not fucking Portland.

tragabigzanda wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

I would 100% still view it as a mourning process, and strive to have empathy for that. And perhaps I would still want the protesters to all show up at once, in a non-violent manner, rather than a rash of violent protest across the country. But obviously I wouldn't be rooting for their cause or anything.

theplatypus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

- Of course the protests are in liberal cities due to the fact that liberal cities are where protestors are largely located
- Of course the protest is taking place before he's even sworn in due to the fact that it's a direct reaction to the election

I'm wondering what your ideal protest would look like. "OK fam I know we're all upset right now but let's all get organized and meet up in Topeka Kansas on January 21st"

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Peaceful protest is pointless in most cases but perfectly acceptable. Blocking traffic, harassing people, and other forms of "nonviolent civil disobedience" that intrude on other people's rights are not. Maybe it's worth it to do those things, but it is illegal and it should be cracked down on if the public gets sick of it. You don't have the right to block streets and create dangerous situations for people, even if it's nonviolent.

To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

Man, i couldnt disagree more. This is how minorities have fought over the years to get the rights they do. By disrupting other peoples lives until it makes a difference.

Look, i get it, it sucks, its an inconvenience for privileged white people (all of us) but c'mon....This is how change can happen.

theplatypus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:And MLK marched through Alabama, not fucking Portland.

... do you know... why?

cutuphalfdead wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

- Of course the protests are in liberal cities due to the fact that liberal cities are where protestors are largely located
- Of course the protest is taking place before he's even sworn in due to the fact that it's a direct reaction to the election

I'm wondering what your ideal protest would look like. "OK fam I know we're all upset right now but let's all get organized and meet up in Topeka Kansas on January 21st"

And make sure you don't inconvenience anyone else, because we wouldn't want this protest to be provocative.

theplatypus wrote:Disclaimer: I have no idea if Topeka Kansas is a liberal city

tragabigzanda wrote:

Strat wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

I would 100% still view it as a mourning process, and strive to have empathy for that. And perhaps I would still want the protesters to all show up at once, in a non-violent manner, rather than a rash of violent protest across the country. But obviously I wouldn't be rooting for their cause or anything.

and I do believe there is a difference. These people are frightened of having their civil liberties ripped from them. There is a difference here.

The gun owners would have the same fear.

theplatypus wrote:I'd like to take this opportunity to once again mention that I am not condoning hurting people or destroying property anywhere. That's very far removed from what I experienced last week.

Strat wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Strat wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote: The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

I would 100% still view it as a mourning process, and strive to have empathy for that. And perhaps I would still want the protesters to all show up at once, in a non-violent manner, rather than a rash of violent protest across the country. But obviously I wouldn't be rooting for their cause or anything.

and I do believe there is a difference. These people are frightened of having their civil liberties ripped from them. There is a difference here.

The gun owners would have the same fear.

Bit if a false equivalency here. I understand they would be upset but why? Hillary wasn't going to take their guns. Pence has a proven record of his absurd medieval ideals on gay's, marriage, womens rights etc...

Strat wrote:Yea, its the protesters fault for everything sucking right now

Simple Torture wrote:

theplatypus wrote:Disclaimer: I have no idea if Topeka Kansas is a liberal city

There's a book called What's the Matter with Kansas? which argues that the brand of anti-elitest, populist conservatism which probably propelled Trump to the presidency grew out of Kansas, which for generations had been a stronghold of liberal populism. The book came out in 2004, so it didn't discuss Trump or anything, but it's fascinating that you chose that city.