Red Mosquito

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:Yeah, I don't know how many of you play guitar but this power chord progression and how it's played is just so simple and predictable it's insulting

This is something i would have said when i was 18. (i play guitar)

Is it not true, though?

Yes, but what does that have to do with whether the song is good or not? It doesn't.

I'd agree if the song went somewhere.. showed any creativity... evoked emotion... They just keep repeating this boring progression though and it's hard to overlook.

The chord progression in this song seems to be the focal point of the song.. not a device to express emotion or get anywhere.. it's like hey look at this progression... and it's so lame

evenslow wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:Wall of guitars—check.
Classic chugging Stone riff—check.
Non-standard vocal delivery a la Johnny Guitar—check.
Out of the box McCready solo—check.
Punchy, no-frills production—check.

I don’t really put much stock into everyone’s opinions anymore, and they’re certainly not going to affect whether I like the song or not. I think the song is great and this only makes me more excited for the album and tour.

when others zig, meatwad fucking ZAGS motherfucker.

I’m totally on board with this song and the album.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:Songs - Times played live

Supersonic - 19 times
Olé - 13 times
Hitchhiker - 1 time
Get right - 17 times
Big Wave - 30 times
Johnny Guitar - 17 times
Let the records play - 21 times

They.
Don't.
Work.

Period.

what's this list demonstrating?

That 'fun/happy' PJ songs aren't loved by their fanbase.

If they were, they'd play them live.

Plain and simple.

Logic is not your strong suit.

does "their fanbase" universally love anything anymore? you're still positioning "what gets played live" as the zenith of PJ quality, but they don't even play Binaural songs anymore (or Riot Act), and last time I saw TB2000, they *worked*

oneway23 wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:Yeah, I don't know how many of you play guitar but this power chord progression and how it's played is just so simple and predictable it's insulting

This is something i would have said when i was 18. (i play guitar)

Is it not true, though?

Yes, but what does that have to do with whether the song is good or not? It doesn't.

Back in Black is a pretty simple tune. Think that has done OK, ammirite?

Yeah the progression is simple but they're pretty creative with the rhythm and diddlee doos. It rocks and you can feel it. Not that I'm a fan of AC/DC in the slightest, I get that it rocks.

There’s a lot of complaining going on, which is interesting juxtaposed against the RM poll which 75% currently rate it 3 stars or higher.

It’s very Avacado-y in the Punky Power chord structure, it’s got a bit more crunch to it, it’s far from the abomination that was Can’t Deny Me, but yeah, this strikes me as that sort of Big Wave type song that’s relatively inoffensive, but completely forgettable.

Feels like there are some good ideas in there but it just runs out of steam, the ‘solo’ sounds to me like they had a deadline and were like ‘Mike, throw some fretboard wankery on this’ so we can put it out. 100% guarantee that if this lands any later than about the number 4-5 slot in a live show it’ll be brutally murdered by Ed.

I kind of feel like I’ve gone in on this song, when on first listen I thought it was alright, I wasn’t moved to blind rage like some seem to be that it’s not DOTC 2.0, but that’s probably symptomatic of the way I feel about Pearl Jam nowadays, which is pretty much complete indifference. Maybe that’s as damning as thinking it’s garbage.

tree_ wrote:

oneway23 wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:Yeah, I don't know how many of you play guitar but this power chord progression and how it's played is just so simple and predictable it's insulting

This is something i would have said when i was 18. (i play guitar)

Is it not true, though?

Yes, but what does that have to do with whether the song is good or not? It doesn't.

Back in Black is a pretty simple tune. Think that has done OK, ammirite?

Yeah the progression is simple but they're pretty creative with the rhythm and diddlee doos. It rocks and you can feel it. Not that I'm a fan of AC/DC in the slightest, I get that it rocks.

Back in Black is an immortal song. It makes its simplicity work for it and it is executed perfectly. Simplicity alone isn't a detriment.

liebzz wrote:There’s a lot of complaining going on, which is interesting juxtaposed against the RM poll which 75% currently rate it 3 stars or higher.

The text next to the stars sways people to vote 3 and higher.. if not as good as DOTC were at 2 stars I bet a lot of people would've voted 2

liebzz wrote:There’s a lot of complaining going on, which is interesting juxtaposed against the RM poll which 75% currently rate it 3 stars or higher.

Yes, but 67% currently rate it 3 stars or fewer.

tree_ wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:

pnjguy wrote:

tree_ wrote:Yeah, I don't know how many of you play guitar but this power chord progression and how it's played is just so simple and predictable it's insulting

This is something i would have said when i was 18. (i play guitar)

Is it not true, though?

Yes, but what does that have to do with whether the song is good or not? It doesn't.

I'd agree if the song went somewhere.. showed any creativity... evoked emotion... They just keep repeating this boring progression though and it's hard to overlook.

I'm not arguing that you should like the chord progression, just that the basis of whether you do or don't should not come down to whether it's simple to play.

Juvenal wrote:Is Ed singing: “We are each of us fucked?” Really like that bit

he is - great moment

B wrote:

liebzz wrote:There’s a lot of complaining going on, which is interesting juxtaposed against the RM poll which 75% currently rate it 3 stars or higher.

Yes, but 67% currently rate it 3 stars or fewer.

The glass...is half full.

liebzz wrote:

B wrote:

liebzz wrote:There’s a lot of complaining going on, which is interesting juxtaposed against the RM poll which 75% currently rate it 3 stars or higher.

Yes, but 67% currently rate it 3 stars or fewer.

The glass...is half full.

Is that a full moon joke?

wow I finally caught up on all the 47 pages here

'evocative' to say the least

never would I have thought that a potential-spritzer would cause so much commotion here

I listened to this again as I got midway through the mayhem of this thread

and I kind of like it more than my initial 6.5/10 rating. I might even say 6.85/10.

I don't know if that's because I know it makes so many people unhappy - and so when Ed is doing his thing, and you know he doesn't gaf what others think - it makes me respect it more

but this is fine. and kind of good. I guess my expectations were so low, based on the snippet, this has totally outperformed. it's not their greatest song by any means. but it's way better than LB. It never transitions to a Calypso bridge (which is a positive). Mike McCready is challenged to perform.

And one part of it sounds like one of the songs from Dumb and Dumber

so yeah. eat shit everyone

some of pearl jam's best songs are simple power chord progressions. its a bad argument and makes you sound snotty. its one thing to not like a song, its another to pretend your opinion holds more weight b/c you "play guitar".

the calypso bridge is the only part of LB i like

96583UP wrote:wow I finally caught up on all the 47 pages here

so yeah. eat shit everyone

Perfectly encapsulated

Strat wrote:Im also just now paying attention to the rest of the band during the solo. That is really nice

I also like (or find interesting) that at a few moments in this song they primary feature becomes a bit more muted (the guitar solo recedes into the mix, rather than pushes forward. Eddie's vocals during the superblood wolfmoon and a few other parts)

I think the 3 votes on this aren't comparing it to the rest of the 3's in PJ's catalogue. It could also be riding the DotC wave. This one ain't a 3.

More than this song being a mangled mess and below what PJ is capable of, I was just really hoping these kinds of songs were in Ed's past.