HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

[E.H. Ruddock]

What? Aaron Rodgers was in this episode?

Relax.

"Burnt guy #4"

[Mecca]

What? Aaron Rodgers was in this episode?

Relax.

"Burnt guy #4"

That was Brett Favre

[Jorge]

I don’t mind the horse. It was a lovely moment. Arya knows what must be done.

It was contrived and made zero sense

The one who kills the dragon always has a white horse.

Arya will take the face of Dany to manipulate Drogon enough to kill it, most likely with poison.

No way drogon falls for that.

And Arya dies in the attempt.

Why? The dragons have been proven to be pretty dumb in this show.

And also in life

[Strat]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

[Monkey_Driven]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

[Strat]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

[washing machine]

I get that.

May I go on record saying that, on paper and on screen, I loved the heel turn? Maybe even moreso because it came so abruptly.

[washing machine]

I did not, however, like what happened to Varys. How does a guy like that let himself get caught conspiring?

[Anders]

Honestly guys, if you haven’t seen it coming, you can’t have been looking, and I’m talking way past this season.

[Mecca]

Honestly guys, if you haven’t seen it coming, you can’t have been looking, and I’m talking way past this season.

I think people didn’t see it happening at that moment if anything f

[Bi_3]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

[Strat]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

yea. its all there but how we have ended back around full circle so quickly is hard to swallow and just disappointing. This show should have gone on for another season or two to give it the justice it deserved.

Jaime’s final scene with Tyrion is a lovely bit of full-circle storytelling, the roles reversed from the aftermath of Tyrion’s trial, and I do think that Jaime riding to try to save Cersei is thematically valuable. He was never able to stop loving her, even after the Sept Of Baelor, and so the idea that he was just going to ignore her ultimately reckless attempt to hold onto the throne wouldn’t have been true to the character’s stubborn refusal to give up on her to date. But I expected going into the episode that this was leading up to a moment when Jaime would have to stop Cersei from doing something even worse, or where he would see that the cause was lost and play some role in stopping her. And so as the story kept moving, and it became about Jaime being there to comfort Cersei in her emotionally vulnerable moment of reckoning when faced by her imminent demise, I was more than a bit confused.

It’s a tension of the show spending so much time framing Jaime through an arc of redemption, especially this season, and then more or less abandoning that for the argument that his bond with Cersei was too strong. I would ultimately argue that it is here, and not in the case of Daenerys, where the show changes course too rapidly. I’m open to the argument that their characters’ fates should be tied together, but to see this ending play out without Cersei being forced to reckon with her own actions, and with Jaime never stopping to take stock of this decision, is hard to swallow. Are we supposed to be moved by Cersei’s vulnerability after we’ve seen her so steadfast at committing the same kind of atrocities that just turned Daenerys into a villain?

If you go back to when the series debuted and said that Cersei and Jaime meet their final end reunited in the dungeons of the Red Keep as the city crumbles around them, I’d say that more or less makes sense. They’re co-dependent, and toxic, and both motivated by complex scales of justice that shift as they struggle to hold onto their senses of power and honor and family. But something about the way the story played out—the pointless swordfight with the pointless Euron, the focus on their unborn child—just felt too clean, boiling the characters down instead of building to a final cumulative moment in their respective arcs.

Its such a rich show with so many detailed story lines. I suppose its almost unrealistic to have hoped that this could go on long enough to do it justice.

[Mecca]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

the thing is, I could see her massacring soldiers, but I couldn’t believe that she was recklessly killing smallfolk

[Chris_H_2]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

the thing is, I could see her massacring soldiers, but I couldn’t believe that she was recklessly killing smallfolk

Didn’t she once crucify a bunch of people whether or not they were actually slavers?

[BurtReynolds]

Has anyone heard from Durden I'm starting to get worried

[E.H. Ruddock]

He posted in the predictions thread

[BurtReynolds]

[Bammer]

He posted in the predictions thread

Yeah there’s plenty of him doing whatever it is that he does over in that thread

[Mecca]

Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

the thing is, I could see her massacring soldiers, but I couldn’t believe that she was recklessly killing smallfolk

Didn’t she once crucify a bunch of people whether or not they were actually slavers?

Yup, but they were the nobility of Meereen aka slavers

[epilogue]

He posted in the predictions thread

Yeah there’s plenty of him doing whatever it is that he does over in that thread

You have a problem with the one post I made in that thread? Really?

Get well, Bammer.

Also, I posted three times in this thread today. Including one in which I fucking agreed with Burt!