Red Mosquito

Simple Torture wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:What? Aaron Rodgers was in this episode?

Relax.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:What? Aaron Rodgers was in this episode?

Relax.

"Burnt guy #4"

EJ wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

EJ wrote:

Anders wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Anders wrote:I don’t mind the horse. It was a lovely moment. Arya knows what must be done.

It was contrived and made zero sense

The one who kills the dragon always has a white horse.

Arya will take the face of Dany to manipulate Drogon enough to kill it, most likely with poison.

No way drogon falls for that.

And Arya dies in the attempt.

Why? The dragons have been proven to be pretty dumb in this show.

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Anders wrote:Honestly guys, if you haven’t seen it coming, you can’t have been looking, and I’m talking way past this season.

Strat wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

Jaime’s final scene with Tyrion is a lovely bit of full-circle storytelling, the roles reversed from the aftermath of Tyrion’s trial, and I do think that Jaime riding to try to save Cersei is thematically valuable. He was never able to stop loving her, even after the Sept Of Baelor, and so the idea that he was just going to ignore her ultimately reckless attempt to hold onto the throne wouldn’t have been true to the character’s stubborn refusal to give up on her to date. But I expected going into the episode that this was leading up to a moment when Jaime would have to stop Cersei from doing something even worse, or where he would see that the cause was lost and play some role in stopping her. And so as the story kept moving, and it became about Jaime being there to comfort Cersei in her emotionally vulnerable moment of reckoning when faced by her imminent demise, I was more than a bit confused.

It’s a tension of the show spending so much time framing Jaime through an arc of redemption, especially this season, and then more or less abandoning that for the argument that his bond with Cersei was too strong. I would ultimately argue that it is here, and not in the case of Daenerys, where the show changes course too rapidly. I’m open to the argument that their characters’ fates should be tied together, but to see this ending play out without Cersei being forced to reckon with her own actions, and with Jaime never stopping to take stock of this decision, is hard to swallow. Are we supposed to be moved by Cersei’s vulnerability after we’ve seen her so steadfast at committing the same kind of atrocities that just turned Daenerys into a villain?

If you go back to when the series debuted and said that Cersei and Jaime meet their final end reunited in the dungeons of the Red Keep as the city crumbles around them, I’d say that more or less makes sense. They’re co-dependent, and toxic, and both motivated by complex scales of justice that shift as they struggle to hold onto their senses of power and honor and family. But something about the way the story played out—the pointless swordfight with the pointless Euron, the focus on their unborn child—just felt too clean, boiling the characters down instead of building to a final cumulative moment in their respective arcs.

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

Mecca wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

the thing is, I could see her massacring soldiers, but I couldn’t believe that she was recklessly killing smallfolk

E.H. Ruddock wrote:He posted in the predictions thread

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Strat wrote:

washing machine wrote:Still coming down from this episode. Is the big gripe here that Daenerys turned at all, or that this is just sloppy storytelling to get from A to B?

Sloppy/rushed story telling.

Rushed more than anything.

Definitely.

I saw on fark someone posted this so I won’t take credit for it: Dany only appeared heroic in comparison to others in the ruling class

the thing is, I could see her massacring soldiers, but I couldn’t believe that she was recklessly killing smallfolk

Didn’t she once crucify a bunch of people whether or not they were actually slavers?

Bammer wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:He posted in the predictions thread

Yeah there’s plenty of him doing whatever it is that he does over in that thread