Red Mosquito

spike wrote:

Coach wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:He actually has the same struggle as Anakin / Vader. He's not naturally evil but wants to be. He idolises Vader not Anakin hence the idolatry. 'I'll finish what you started'
I never cheer for the bad guys but from a character development PoV I'm super excited to see his conflict develop and see where he goes.

They can't redeem him not after killing Han but then again they're making everything rhyme with the Ot so possibly he will be redeemed.

Disagree on the first part. But Anakin as Anakin never viewed himself as evil... He was convinced he was doing the RIGHT thing. And frankly, the OT never really dealt with WHY he was on the dark side at all. Kylo clearly struggles with the "light" side, and is intentionally and knowingly choosing the dark because of the power associated with it. And I would say there is almost zero chance there is not some sort of redemption for him at the end. Possibly to the point of the 3rd movie of this trilogy being a buddy jedi comedy with Rey.

That's a real good point, skitch, and something for the OT worshipers to consider. That OT wasn't perfect by any means.

The OT was a simpler time in Star Wars land. Vader was the bad guy in a fun trilogy and that was enough. Ensuing rabid fandom demanded that his backstory be explained, necessitating the prequels. Be careful what you ask for.

Spoiler: show

Obi Wan's Grandkid

spike wrote:

Coach wrote:

spike wrote:

Coach wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

Coach wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:And when you see it again watch for her start to cry when Luke turns around!! And watch his face!
It's there on a plate.
He's her father.

I wonder if she is the one who brings balance to the force. Luke is her father, but she has no mother....she's born from the force???

... in a manger in Bethlehem

that's where I was going with this in the prediction. no accident. not saying I support the theory, but fun to toss it out there. at this point, I just can't buy luke falling in love and having a child. just doesn't feel right. i don't know why.

So Luke was preggers? Come on, guys.

No, but it's fantasy, and I don't think we want any Luke-wife/girlfriend flashback love scenes like the dreaded love scenes in Episode II to explain how Rey came to be. And that's all I can think of when trying to accept the fact that Luke had a kid.

On the other hand, the Lei-Han having a kid and not staying together was very believable and handled nicely.

So s fully formed baby just appeared one day. That's dumb.

Coach wrote:The fact that the OT never explained why this dude Vader became evil is a huge flaw. Coming out of Jedi in 1983, I raced to my favorite internet fan site and bitched.

dimejinky99 wrote:Well it's been confirmed it is alec guinesses voice saying Rey...so who knows

Mecca wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:Surely you guys have thought about a voice over artist doing an AG impression.

one did

Spoiler: show

and then they brought in Ewan McG to do it

spike wrote:

Coach wrote:The fact that the OT never explained why this dude Vader became evil is a huge flaw. Coming out of Jedi in 1983, I raced to my favorite internet fan site and bitched.

Haha, you just enforced my post a few posts up. The prequels were your fault, nerd.

dimejinky99 wrote:Wow

“You do hear a little bit of Yoda. You hear Luke yelling out, ‘Nooo!’ from that moment in Empire. And you hear Obi-Wan at the end say, ‘Rey … these are your first steps,’” Abrams says. “Here’s the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. He was incredibly sweet and handsome, and all that stuff. Then he rode off on his motorcycle. Literally the coolest voice over actor ever.”

As they worked on editing the dream sequence, Bryan Burk, a longtime Bad Robot collaborator and one of the producers of the film, surprised Abrams one day with the gift of a single word: Obi-Wan Kenobi’s voice saying the name “Rey …”

“I said, ‘That’s cool, is that the thing from Ewan McGregor?’” Abrams recalled. “He said ‘No, we took a line from Alec Guinness saying ‘Afraid.’”

Not only that, but the lilt in his voice from that truncated word happened to fit exactly what Abrams had in mind. “They cut it, and you hear the performance – he’s saying it the way I would have begged Alec Guinness to have said it. It is so crazy perfect,” Abrams says. “So when you hear Obi-Wan talk to Rey it is both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor doing the voice.”

Frank Oz, a veteran of The Muppets who puppeteered Yoda and supplied his voice in the earlier movies, also contributed new dialogue for The Force Awakens, although Abrams says they ended up using pre-existing elements of the little green Jedi master’s voice.

“He was incredibly generous and came in to Bad Robot, where we had a recording area, and he was doing Yoda, saying a number of lines we gave to him,” Abrams says. “This whole experience has been one outrageous moment after another. Just watching Frank Oz, you look at him and talk to him and his voice is very deep. I don’t know why I would have thought he sounded like Miss Piggy!”

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The OT not dealing with Vader's reasons for being evil isn't a flaw. Do you guys need every little thing explained? Jeez.

Im not in anyway saying it's a flaw. Just a factual representation of the character. It wasn't discussed. Where as Kylo's reasons for being evil are obviously going to be a central theme. I like the ambiguity in Vaders evilness. I wish they never had revealed it.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The OT not dealing with Vader's reasons for being evil isn't a flaw. Do you guys need every little thing explained? Jeez.

Im not in anyway saying it's a flaw. Just a factual representation of the character. It wasn't discussed. Where as Kylo's reasons for being evil are obviously going to be a central theme. I like the ambiguity in Vaders evilness. I wish they never had revealed it.

I know, I was referring to Coach's post.

dimejinky99 wrote:Wow

“You do hear a little bit of Yoda. You hear Luke yelling out, ‘Nooo!’ from that moment in Empire. And you hear Obi-Wan at the end say, ‘Rey … these are your first steps,’” Abrams says. “Here’s the cool part. We asked Ewan McGregor to come in and do the line. And he was awesome and we were very grateful. He was incredibly sweet and handsome, and all that stuff. Then he rode off on his motorcycle. Literally the coolest voice over actor ever.”

As they worked on editing the dream sequence, Bryan Burk, a longtime Bad Robot collaborator and one of the producers of the film, surprised Abrams one day with the gift of a single word: Obi-Wan Kenobi’s voice saying the name “Rey …”

“I said, ‘That’s cool, is that the thing from Ewan McGregor?’” Abrams recalled. “He said ‘No, we took a line from Alec Guinness saying ‘Afraid.’”

Not only that, but the lilt in his voice from that truncated word happened to fit exactly what Abrams had in mind. “They cut it, and you hear the performance – he’s saying it the way I would have begged Alec Guinness to have said it. It is so crazy perfect,” Abrams says. “So when you hear Obi-Wan talk to Rey it is both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor doing the voice.”

Frank Oz, a veteran of The Muppets who puppeteered Yoda and supplied his voice in the earlier movies, also contributed new dialogue for The Force Awakens, although Abrams says they ended up using pre-existing elements of the little green Jedi master’s voice.

“He was incredibly generous and came in to Bad Robot, where we had a recording area, and he was doing Yoda, saying a number of lines we gave to him,” Abrams says. “This whole experience has been one outrageous moment after another. Just watching Frank Oz, you look at him and talk to him and his voice is very deep. I don’t know why I would have thought he sounded like Miss Piggy!”

Coach wrote:The fact that the OT never explained why this dude Vader became evil is a huge flaw. Coming out of Jedi in 1983, I raced to my favorite internet fan site and bitched.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:The OT not dealing with Vader's reasons for being evil isn't a flaw. Do you guys need every little thing explained? Jeez.

Im not in anyway saying it's a flaw. Just a factual representation of the character. It wasn't discussed. Where as Kylo's reasons for being evil are obviously going to be a central theme. I like the ambiguity in Vaders evilness. I wish they never had revealed it.

I know, I was referring to Coach's post.