wease wrote:I dislike calling groups like New Kids, NSync and the like “boy bands”. They’re not bands. Band members play instruments. None of these guys play any instruments except for The Jackson 5.
"they don't play their own instruments / write their own songs" is a trope that is part of what I'm talking about
many of the swing jazz greats only sang, didn't play instruments and didn't write the songs they made famous; were they not musicians?
I never said anything about them writing songs or being musicians. I said they weren’t a BAND. They’re a group of singers. Who cares if they write their own tunes? And of course singers are musicians. But groups of singers are not bands. You totally missed my point.
you said they weren't a band because they weren't musicians, hence they cannot make up a "band"
"boyband" is a colloquialism that more often describes a certain aesthetic or audience than playing instruments; but hey, you can call what you want whatever you want; Foo Fighters will remain a group and Backstreet Boys will remain a band (as well as a group of horses)
Point out in my original post where I said they weren’t musicians. Please show me. You’re not even reading what I fucking write.
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:11 pm
by Ms Harmless
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:15 pm
by Ms Harmless
I brought "musicians" into the question because that's literally what a band is, a group of musicians; "musicians" are usually considered to be people who play instruments; a "band" that can't is often denied the word "band" and called a group
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:17 pm
by Ms Harmless
the term "boyband" is, in my opinion, kind of a fuck you to that kind of thinking, and I like that
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:19 pm
by Jorge
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:I dislike calling groups like New Kids, NSync and the like “boy bands”. They’re not bands. Band members play instruments. None of these guys play any instruments except for The Jackson 5.
"they don't play their own instruments / write their own songs" is a trope that is part of what I'm talking about
many of the swing jazz greats only sang, didn't play instruments and didn't write the songs they made famous; were they not musicians?
I never said anything about them writing songs or being musicians. I said they weren’t a BAND. They’re a group of singers. Who cares if they write their own tunes? And of course singers are musicians. But groups of singers are not bands. You totally missed my point.
you said they weren't a band because they weren't musicians, hence they cannot make up a "band"
"boyband" is a colloquialism that more often describes a certain aesthetic or audience than playing instruments; but hey, you can call what you want whatever you want; Foo Fighters will remain a group and Backstreet Boys will remain a band (as well as a group of horses)
Point out in my original post where I said they weren’t musicians. Please show me. You’re not even reading what I fucking write.
Calm down
Also this thing about how "to be a band you have to play instruments" strikes me as arbitrary. I don't think "playing instruments" is baked into the definition of "band," unless you're talking about specific types of instrumentalists like brass bands or marching bands.
In any case everyone knows what is meant by "boyband" in common parlance so this whole "but they don't play instruments!" is just pedantic fussiness.
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:21 pm
by Jorge
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
This is straight-up wrong, too; the simple and obvious fact that vocalists are members of their respective bands is enough to disprove it
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:22 pm
by Ms Harmless
yep
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:23 pm
by dad
one could argue that voices are instruments.
if one were so inclined.
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:26 pm
by Chris_H_2
matt berninger is one of my favorite instruments that the national plays
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:31 pm
by Ms Harmless
dad wrote:one could argue that voices are instruments.
if one were so inclined.
Sigur Ros is all about that
and so is a lot of metal e.g. Meshuggah; the voice's main purpose is to be percussive
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:32 pm
by wease
Jorge wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
This is straight-up wrong, too; the simple and obvious fact that vocalists are members of their respective bands is enough to disprove it
Yes, I could’ve written that better. I should’ve said bands have members that play instruments. I agree the vocalist that doesn’t play an instrument is a musician and a member of the band.
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:34 pm
by wease
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
Where do I say vocalists aren’t musicians?
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:35 pm
by Ms Harmless
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
Where do I say vocalists aren’t musicians?
I've explained myself quite clearly
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:37 pm
by Chris_H_2
i mean, sure, dedicated side b isn't as good as emotion, but i'm really enjoying it
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:47 pm
by wease
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
Where do I say vocalists aren’t musicians?
I've explained myself quite clearly
By putting words in my mouth.
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:51 pm
by Ms Harmless
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:
wease wrote:Band members play instruments.
Where do I say vocalists aren’t musicians?
I've explained myself quite clearly
By putting words in my mouth.
I wrote an entire post that explained why I used the word "musician" in relation to what you said; you haven't read it
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:53 pm
by Ms Harmless
Ms Harmless wrote:I brought "musicians" into the question because that's literally what a band is, a group of musicians; "musicians" are usually considered to be people who play instruments; a "band" that can't is often denied the word "band" and called a group
here it is again
you've admitted you weren’t clear and have refined your definition of "band" into "a group that has people who can play instruments in it"
I just think all of this is hilarious pedantry
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:56 pm
by Jorge
Everyone please stop fighting
Re: Post Random Music-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Wed March 23, 2022 7:57 pm
by dad
Chris_H_2 wrote:matt berninger is one of my favorite instruments that the national plays