Red Mosquito

i'm listening to folklore for the first time in like forever. it reminds me so much of the pandemic summer.

yeah, i need to come back to that one and Evermore but im hooked with Midnights and Reputation these days.

VinylGuy wrote:yeah, i need to come back to that one and Evermore but im hooked with Midnights and Reputation these days.

the intro to "ready for it" at the concert (which introduced that album) was off the charts. there was the sound of what appears to be a whip at the beginning of the song with a video of just a slowly moving snake. it was really a sight (and sound) to behold.

it's not Exile but still pretty good

Peaking out after our concession stand closed and I’ve gotta say, I’ve never seen a crowd react to the performer like this crowd is. No one.

Whew!

I went out before the show and took a couple of pics of the stage and noticed some people out there. Couldn’t hear anything but figured it was soundchecking. I was just showing them to the oldest Weaseling and she noticed it was Taylor and Phoebe Bridgers that were on stage. I had no idea.

wease wrote:Peaking out after our concession stand closed and I’ve gotta say, I’ve never seen a crowd react to the performer like this crowd is. No one.

The sheer spectacle of it must have been impressive. Like The Beatles must have been.

What a show! And Boy Genius popping in was awesome.

Chris_H_2 wrote:What a show! And Boy Genius popping in was awesome.

Did they play some tunes with Phoebe?

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Peaking out after our concession stand closed and I’ve gotta say, I’ve never seen a crowd react to the performer like this crowd is. No one.

The sheer spectacle of it must have been impressive. Like The Beatles must have been.

Quite impressive!

wease wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:What a show! And Boy Genius popping in was awesome.

Did they play some tunes with Phoebe?

They did (they played three songs). Fantastic.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

wease wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:What a show! And Boy Genius popping in was awesome.

Did they play some tunes with Phoebe?

They did (they played three songs). Fantastic.

nice!! did they played $20? imagine those swifties being screamed at their faces

Some of you that have a greater understanding of this please explain it to me.

Taylor is in the process of re-recording and re-releasing her first six albums. Indeed, the third reissue was announced just as I closed up and went out to watch her on Friday night. Ow, And understand the reasoning behind ilthis project. She was unable to procure her master recordings from her original record label and those who subsequently owned them. So this way she’ll own master recordings of her first six albums. But what’s to stop someone who wants to license a tune from one of these albums? Do they simply have a choice to make between the two versions? Her reissues don’t negate the original masters and the owners can still do whatever they want with them, correct? What are the actual business advantages of her doing these re-recordings?

wease wrote:Some of you that have a greater understanding of this please explain it to me.

Taylor is in the process of re-recording and re-releasing her first six albums. Indeed, the third reissue was announced just as I closed up and went out to watch her on Friday night. Ow, And understand the reasoning behind ilthis project. She was unable to procure her master recordings from her original record label and those who subsequently owned them. So this way she’ll own master recordings of her first six albums. But what’s to stop someone who wants to license a tune from one of these albums? Do they simply have a choice to make between the two versions? Her reissues don’t negate the original masters and the owners can still do whatever they want with them, correct? What are the actual business advantages of her doing these re-recordings?

It's a pretty big topic in regard to copyright but the answer to the last question may be:

McBrayer's Peter J. Rosene wrote:each "Taylor's Version" album lowers the value of the master of its respective original held by Shamrock and predicted that the sales of the re-recordings might, in fact, outperform the original albums

The full article is worth a read, also brings forth the power of leveraging your fanbase via modern social media.

wease wrote:What are the actual business advantages of her doing these re-recordings?

Think of it as a deluxe reissue campaign, similar to what a lot of career artists are doing (repackaging and reselling old albums, including bonus tracks, etc.), only in this case (a) the original album recordings are entirely new, and (b) the record company -- who, in the case of a normal album reissue, would be enjoying the lion's share of the revenue -- is suddenly out of the picture. As I understand, you are correct that the new versions do not displace the original versions, and there is nothing that would theoretically stop a filmmaker, ad exec, etc., from licensing one of her original recordings for use in a film or commercial, nor would there be anything stopping a casual listener from queueing up the original version of Red on a streaming platform. That said, there has been a very carefully cultivated good-vs.evil narrative surrounding these re-recordings: (1) An artist falls prey to a standard but icky industry practice (i.e. relinquishing control of her masters to her record company); (2) the record company -- and, by extension, her masters -- are sold to someone she personally dislikes (Scooter Braun); (3) the artist happens to have the resources and the PR platform to go to unforeseen lengths to take the power back and reclaim what she views as rightfully hers. Her very easily galvanized fanbase no doubt sees the purchasing of these re-recordings, or the choice to stream a "Taylor's version" over an original version, as an act of solidarity with a hero figure who in their eyes can do no wrong, who has been unduly wronged by — quite literally in this case — the Big Machine. It is not hard to imagine ad execs, etc. seeing the PR value in being on that side as well. Say what you will about Taylor Swift, but even if you find her a completely loathsome person who represents everything bad about the music business, it is hard not to side with her over a relatively faceless industry fatcat whose payday comes in the form of royalties from other people’s art, and in a lot of ways actually does represent everything that’s bad about the music business.

Admittedly this wouldn’t work for 99.99% of artists. Artistically, projects like this are DOA, and it’s right that they do not supplant originals. Imagine the ridicule if Pearl Jam decided today that they were going to re-record Ten, because someone they didn’t like had purchased the Epic Records back catalog. But for TS, who has an army of fans at her beck and call, it becomes a cultural canvas upon which all that is good and bad and “accepted” about the music business is projected. I think it has been fascinating to watch.

KD, is the situation the same with the U2 re-recorded albums or am I confusing different things?

Lots of legacy artists are re-recording. Its more successful for Taylor because she's still relatively young and able to recreate whatever Je ne sais quoi that made the original albums appealing to her audience where when aging rockers try it its an obvious inferior product. No one wants to listen to a modern re-recording of Appetite for Destruction or Hysteria. However it can still be lucrative in advertising where if its close enough and its obviously the original artist it can work for a 30 sec advert. For instance those Ratt Round and Round commercials from a few years back. That was a re-record. The band probably got to keep all the money.

Bi_3 wrote:KD, is the situation the same with the U2 re-recorded albums or am I confusing different things?

I’m honestly not sure. What are the U2 re-recordings? I wasn’t aware of them.

Kevin Davis wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:KD, is the situation the same with the U2 re-recorded albums or am I confusing different things?

I’m honestly not sure. What are the U2 re-recordings? I wasn’t aware of them.

I presume Songs of Surrender? They released 40 reincarnations of their songs in one place, mostly stripped down or with slight lyric changes in the guise that they’ve grown up. It’s a very up and down affair that takes a long time to get through.