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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed January 24, 2018 5:16 pm
by digster
From what we've seen, it seems increasingly difficult to see any way in which Trump is not a prime target for an obstruction charge. I don't know if Mueller will necessarily press this point; I think it's possible. What's less possible is that there would be any movement towards removal or impeachment. Mueller could find Trump is a war criminal, but nothing would ever happen on the legislative end unless the Congress turns blue.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed January 24, 2018 6:10 pm
by Bi_3
digster wrote:From what we've seen, it seems increasingly difficult to see any way in which Trump is not a prime target for an obstruction charge. I don't know if Mueller will necessarily press this point; I think it's possible. What's less possible is that there would be any movement towards removal or impeachment. Mueller could find Trump is a war criminal, but nothing would ever happen on the legislative end unless the Congress turns blue.
I'd like to think this is true... but I'm not convinced he did anything illegal, just despicable, which is kind of his thing anyway. As for the second part, if there was concrete evidence that Trump aided Russia, not just Russia acted to get Trump elected or that Russia has dirt on him or fam, I think the red team would turn.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed January 24, 2018 6:24 pm
by McParadigm
There’s not a single version of this story where an entire political party behaves in such a desperately aggressive way towards the American justice system, and intentionally takes these career-ruining shots on the chin in the name of disruption, but also there’s nothing to find.

Money laundering seems to be the group festivity of the day, but proving that seems like a task and a half. If Gates is turning witness, as has been implied, that might make a world of difference.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed January 24, 2018 11:28 pm
by digster
A question I'm having trouble understanding; if there is some kind of conspiracy at the FBI that could involve Comey, where the fix is in to deny Trump the election, why in God's name does Comey announce he's reopening the Clinton investigation a week before the election? I mean, I understand any spin on this would be BS, but I'm curious as to what that spin could possibly be.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 2:30 am
by Norah
The FBI conspiracy was pro-Trump.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 2:35 am
by 96583UP
surprised POTUS hasn't fired Mueller yet

wonder when that will happen

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 2:50 am
by McParadigm

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 2:52 am
by B

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 4:18 pm
by bune
McParadigm wrote:I’ve never respected a group of people less in my whole life than I do those individuals who continuously buy every fart-stench spin this nakedly-guilty organization puts out and then never brings up again. The irony is I used to want to understand them to the degree they seem to believe they are inherently entitled to be understood.
I just want to be able to understand that sentence.

This Nunes guy, wtf.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 9:45 pm
by McParadigm

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 10:46 pm
by Bi_3
McParadigm wrote:https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/amp

Should ik accepteer cookies?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 10:46 pm
by Norah
McParadigm wrote:https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/amp
so the dutch saw the whole thing

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Thu January 25, 2018 11:27 pm
by bune
With a finger in the dyke the whole time I bet.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:19 am
by McParadigm
The barbarians

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:21 am
by McParadigm

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:23 am
by McParadigm
There’s a crazy fucking alternate universe where one man didn’t threaten to resign

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:24 am
by BurtReynolds
You'd think the FBI would know how to permanently destroy text messages.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:38 am
by McParadigm
McParadigm wrote:
I mean no wonder he thought it would be over by Christmas. Is Wray the only senior official there he hasn’t tried to undo at some point?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:46 am
by 96583UP
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
I mean no wonder he thought it would be over by Christmas. Is Wray the only senior official there he hasn’t tried to undo at some point?
96583UP wrote:surprised POTUS hasn't fired Mueller yet

wonder when that will happen
A: first attempted last June

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Fri January 26, 2018 1:50 am
by McParadigm