Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

It's a bit childish to get upset when they don't meet your demands. It's a hard choice bit an easier time will be had if you just try go with them and enjoy the journey.

*saves this quote for future opportunities to irritate dime*
*especially if the next Star Wars film is a heap big pile of muddy terribleness poop*

Abrams is about to jump ship so it can only get better

sward wrote:Fuck! You guys get me coming and going!

sward wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

sward wrote:Its interesting to me to read the comments of the various characters here. I actually thought this was a board for fans of Pearl Jam, not necessarily critics of. Neither here nor there as it is the internet and this is often what message boards are all about, but I find it hard to fathom that there are so few true fans left on here. That's not to mean you have to like everything they put out. I certainly don't. But each album has enough on them that I see no reason to stop the support. I'm in the like Backspacer camp, so I guess it puts me in the minority around here an may also be why I don't share a lot of the critical opinion being bandied about. But wow. Kind of mystified at the whole thing.

I take nothing they put out seriously enough that it affects my being. I take each album as they come and pull out the pieces I enjoy and set aside the ones I don't. Every once in awhile, I give those songs another spin to see if I've changed my mind and once in awhile I have. If so..they go into my pile that I enjoy. Rinse/Repeat. I don't sit around for a nanosecond wondering why Eddie is forcing the band to play all these horrendous songs. Ha. Its silly to even write it let alone believe it. Any second on here trying to perceive what goes on within the privacy of the band is wasted.

Anyway. My two cents. I get the discussion and the dissection of all that is Pearl Jam, but I don't get the hostility.

As a counter to this - The Pit has become so sanitized of anyone giving a harsh criticism of the band, how is that enjoyable? I'd rather debate with stip why I hate The Fixer and most of Backspacer than hang around with everyone that just thinks everything the band does is 5 star.

Fair counterpoint, and also the reason I enjoy coming here more than there. I'm not blind to the reasons for critique, I was more confused by my impression that some, not all, don't actually like the band anymore yet continue to offer their opinion of the material as though it isn't biased.

dimejinky99 wrote:Nobody's mentioned the 'fuge yet.

Where reasonable minded, tired of sycophantic and ultra critical Pj fans went to escape.

Burt. Yep. Check the relevant thread.

CupidStunt wrote:It looks like every link/video etc. for these that I can find has gone. Can anyone offer a working one?

Spoiler: show

PLEEEEEAAAAAAAASE!

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Nobody's mentioned the 'fuge yet.

Where reasonable minded, tired of sycophantic and ultra critical Pj fans went to escape.

Burt. Yep. Check the relevant thread.

except it appears to be all hearsay and as of now disney denies all of it.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

CupidStunt wrote:It looks like every link/video etc. for these that I can find has gone. Can anyone offer a working one?

Spoiler: show

PLEEEEEAAAAAAAASE!

have you checked back about 5 to 10 pages? there was a new link and it was quoted a time or 2, not sure if that one was still working but they were the most recent place to find them

Thejambi wrote:

stip wrote:

Heathen wrote:

stip wrote:

Heathen wrote:

sward wrote:Its interesting to me to read the comments of the various characters here. I actually thought this was a board for fans of Pearl Jam, not necessarily critics of. Neither here nor there as it is the internet and this is often what message boards are all about, but I find it hard to fathom that there are so few true fans left on here. That's not to mean you have to like everything they put out. I certainly don't. But each album has enough on them that I see no reason to stop the support. I'm in the like Backspacer camp, so I guess it puts me in the minority around here an may also be why I don't share a lot of the critical opinion being bandied about. But wow. Kind of mystified at the whole thing.

I take nothing they put out seriously enough that it affects my being. I take each album as they come and pull out the pieces I enjoy and set aside the ones I don't. Every once in awhile, I give those songs another spin to see if I've changed my mind and once in awhile I have. If so..they go into my pile that I enjoy. Rinse/Repeat. I don't sit around for a nanosecond wondering why Eddie is forcing the band to play all these horrendous songs. Ha. Its silly to even write it let alone believe it. Any second on here trying to perceive what goes on within the privacy of the band is wasted.

Anyway. My two cents. I get the discussion and the dissection of all that is Pearl Jam, but I don't get the hostility.

"true fans"

Look, his point is that even here, in a bunch of threads that are pretty near unanimously celebrating two songs, they are frequently offset by 'man, this is really great, why do they have to write such shit' tags.

Yeah, and apparently having something bad to say about the band's output makes you a false fan. And in a way, he's probably right.

I was only responding to his last line about the hostility. And lets not be too precious here. You also know the difference between good faith criticism and the heady mixture of schadenfreude, despair, self-pity and repetition that can characterize this place.

This place was pretty positive this morning, till the one or two people decided to dwell on a couple comments about LB and make it about something else.

Cleverman wrote:After another few listens, i have changed my vote from Pearl Jam is no longer allowed to track their albums to Pearl Jam is no longer allowed to track their albums.

VinylGuy wrote:so, this is a bad thing now? cool.

Tuolumne wrote:
Fuck yeah they're trying to solicit yeah yeah yeahs from the audience. Add in some "uhhh huhhhs" and "woahh ooos" too. Ever heard "She Loves you" by a band called the Beatles? How about "Man on the Moon" by REM? Oh wait, and "Lithium" by Nirvana?

Pop should not be a dirty word. Pop songwriting is a very difficult craft. Especially when mixed with punk or any qualities that can be a little subversive. But to carry a melody concisely and be able to grab a listener within seconds, and then hold the listener for multiple listens is really difficult.

It's just a different form of songwriting than letting a chord progression simmer and then use a vocal to enhance a mood, like I thnk Cold Confession does. They just chose not to go with it this time. Maybe next time they will. But why dismiss this entire era at this point as some sort of commercial sellout? It's just what they wanted to do at the time. Why is simply shortening a verse, and shortening the vocal melody and taking out delays and echos to be more compact and dynamic and catchy (dirty word?) such a bad thing. It takes a huge amount of effort, and they did it pretty well on Backspacer I thought. They clearly listened to lots of Little Steven 60s garage stuff, lots fo Guided By Voices, lots of early Who, lots of Neil Finn, Buzzcocks and added a little modern sheen to it. They didn't succeed so much and making it subversive but they managed to maintain lots of rock n roll punch. It's good and lots of people agree with me.

harmless wrote:

sward wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

sward wrote:Its interesting to me to read the comments of the various characters here. I actually thought this was a board for fans of Pearl Jam, not necessarily critics of. Neither here nor there as it is the internet and this is often what message boards are all about, but I find it hard to fathom that there are so few true fans left on here. That's not to mean you have to like everything they put out. I certainly don't. But each album has enough on them that I see no reason to stop the support. I'm in the like Backspacer camp, so I guess it puts me in the minority around here an may also be why I don't share a lot of the critical opinion being bandied about. But wow. Kind of mystified at the whole thing.

I take nothing they put out seriously enough that it affects my being. I take each album as they come and pull out the pieces I enjoy and set aside the ones I don't. Every once in awhile, I give those songs another spin to see if I've changed my mind and once in awhile I have. If so..they go into my pile that I enjoy. Rinse/Repeat. I don't sit around for a nanosecond wondering why Eddie is forcing the band to play all these horrendous songs. Ha. Its silly to even write it let alone believe it. Any second on here trying to perceive what goes on within the privacy of the band is wasted.

Anyway. My two cents. I get the discussion and the dissection of all that is Pearl Jam, but I don't get the hostility.

As a counter to this - The Pit has become so sanitized of anyone giving a harsh criticism of the band, how is that enjoyable? I'd rather debate with stip why I hate The Fixer and most of Backspacer than hang around with everyone that just thinks everything the band does is 5 star.

Fair counterpoint, and also the reason I enjoy coming here more than there. I'm not blind to the reasons for critique, I was more confused by my impression that some, not all, don't actually like the band anymore yet continue to offer their opinion of the material as though it isn't biased.

I've been very negative all day. I'm in a really bad mood, and I've spent all day taking it out on PJ. But I've been here (not on this forum, just on the moving train, in my tree etc.) since 1991. And I've kept up enthusiasm and excitement over the possibility of LB not sucking when others have dismissed it already. I was the one saying stop being so fucking negative! yesterday. We're bitching about an album we haven't heard. But (and I don't know when you joined, so this is a hypothetical) if you joined RM today, you would think that I'm always a negative curmudgeonly douchebag. I'm not. Well, sometimes I am. But what I'm saying is, a lot of people come here and spend 5 minutes on this board, dismiss it as negative and shit on it, whereas if they'd stayed for a week, they'd find that our negativity was 1) honest but shortlived, 2) totally tongue-in-cheek and ironic, or 3) shouted down by certain good members of our community who would prefer a happier atmosphere, like Stip.

KurtLeon wrote:

harmless wrote:

sward wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

sward wrote:Its interesting to me to read the comments of the various characters here. I actually thought this was a board for fans of Pearl Jam, not necessarily critics of. Neither here nor there as it is the internet and this is often what message boards are all about, but I find it hard to fathom that there are so few true fans left on here. That's not to mean you have to like everything they put out. I certainly don't. But each album has enough on them that I see no reason to stop the support. I'm in the like Backspacer camp, so I guess it puts me in the minority around here an may also be why I don't share a lot of the critical opinion being bandied about. But wow. Kind of mystified at the whole thing.

I take nothing they put out seriously enough that it affects my being. I take each album as they come and pull out the pieces I enjoy and set aside the ones I don't. Every once in awhile, I give those songs another spin to see if I've changed my mind and once in awhile I have. If so..they go into my pile that I enjoy. Rinse/Repeat. I don't sit around for a nanosecond wondering why Eddie is forcing the band to play all these horrendous songs. Ha. Its silly to even write it let alone believe it. Any second on here trying to perceive what goes on within the privacy of the band is wasted.

Anyway. My two cents. I get the discussion and the dissection of all that is Pearl Jam, but I don't get the hostility.

As a counter to this - The Pit has become so sanitized of anyone giving a harsh criticism of the band, how is that enjoyable? I'd rather debate with stip why I hate The Fixer and most of Backspacer than hang around with everyone that just thinks everything the band does is 5 star.

Fair counterpoint, and also the reason I enjoy coming here more than there. I'm not blind to the reasons for critique, I was more confused by my impression that some, not all, don't actually like the band anymore yet continue to offer their opinion of the material as though it isn't biased.

I've been very negative all day. I'm in a really bad mood, and I've spent all day taking it out on PJ. But I've been here (not on this forum, just on the moving train, in my tree etc.) since 1991. And I've kept up enthusiasm and excitement over the possibility of LB not sucking when others have dismissed it already. I was the one saying stop being so fucking negative! yesterday. We're bitching about an album we haven't heard. But (and I don't know when you joined, so this is a hypothetical) if you joined RM today, you would think that I'm always a negative curmudgeonly douchebag. I'm not. Well, sometimes I am. But what I'm saying is, a lot of people come here and spend 5 minutes on this board, dismiss it as negative and shit on it, whereas if they'd stayed for a week, they'd find that our negativity was 1) honest but shortlived, 2) totally tongue-in-cheek and ironic, or 3) shouted down by certain good members of our community who would prefer a happier atmosphere, like Stip.

That was exactly my thoughs wneh I joined RM.

Now I think your ok, harmless.

BurtReynolds wrote:I liked these songs when they were underground.