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durdencommatyler wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The show is pretty clear that love is a weakness. So, sending Jon to "the only place he had found love" is a bit of a mixed message at best, and a curse at worst.

The best (and to my mind only satisfying) ending to Jon Snow was death. And yet going into this episode, I knew he would not die. That was clear and therefore, I was totally prepared for an unsatisfying ending to his story. It wasn't too big a pill to swallow for me.

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Mecca wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The conclusion of that council was that merit is a better form of choosing a ruler than bloodlines

I get that, and regardless of bloodlines, Jon should have been under consideration. He brings people together, is a natural leader, and a war hero. Additionally, he has the name.

"Daenerys Targaryen murdered scores of thousands of innocent people to try and take the throne, and we have come up with a new system to put leaders on the throne that the people can trust. Please welcome your new king...Aegon Targaryen."

Yep, regardless of name / bloodlines, Jon would have been a good candidate. He then politely refuses, and goes north (not because he was banished).

Bi_3 wrote:

Mecca wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The conclusion of that council was that merit is a better form of choosing a ruler than bloodlines

And that is one of the things that felt so wrong about that scene. Everyone there is there because of bloodlines, likely with a lot of unhappy peasants back home, they are just going to flip to some kind of electoral system just like that and not think that they are going to get the same treatment applied to them and their families? At least Sam should remember what democracy lead to at the Wall when Jon got elected.

Mecca wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Mecca wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The conclusion of that council was that merit is a better form of choosing a ruler than bloodlines

And that is one of the things that felt so wrong about that scene. Everyone there is there because of bloodlines, likely with a lot of unhappy peasants back home, they are just going to flip to some kind of electoral system just like that and not think that they are going to get the same treatment applied to them and their families? At least Sam should remember what democracy lead to at the Wall when Jon got elected.

It would’ve been less believable if they went from monarchy directly to democracy

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The show is pretty clear that love is a weakness. So, sending Jon to "the only place he had found love" is a bit of a mixed message at best, and a curse at worst.

The best (and to my mind only satisfying) ending to Jon Snow was death. And yet going into this episode, I knew he would not die. That was clear and therefore, I was totally prepared for an unsatisfying ending to his story. It wasn't too big a pill to swallow for me.

Duty is the death of love. Jon ended up on the opposing side from both women he ever loved, stabbing one in the heart for the greater good. Returning to a place of duty seemed fitting to me.

Mecca wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Mecca wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The conclusion of that council was that merit is a better form of choosing a ruler than bloodlines

I get that, and regardless of bloodlines, Jon should have been under consideration. He brings people together, is a natural leader, and a war hero. Additionally, he has the name.

"Daenerys Targaryen murdered scores of thousands of innocent people to try and take the throne, and we have come up with a new system to put leaders on the throne that the people can trust. Please welcome your new king...Aegon Targaryen."

Yep, regardless of name / bloodlines, Jon would have been a good candidate. He then politely refuses, and goes north (not because he was banished).

You gotta let go, darth

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The show is pretty clear that love is a weakness. So, sending Jon to "the only place he had found love" is a bit of a mixed message at best, and a curse at worst.

The best (and to my mind only satisfying) ending to Jon Snow was death. And yet going into this episode, I knew he would not die. That was clear and therefore, I was totally prepared for an unsatisfying ending to his story. It wasn't too big a pill to swallow for me.

Duty is the death of love. Jon ended up on the opposing side from both women he ever loved, stabbing one in the heart for the greater good. Returning to a place of duty seemed fitting to me.

Sure. I can appreciate that take. Seems fair. Put I would say, only up to a point. He can (and it makes sense that he does) return to a place of duty. But he can die and still have that be true. His exile feel hollow to me, regardless of your point.

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The show is pretty clear that love is a weakness. So, sending Jon to "the only place he had found love" is a bit of a mixed message at best, and a curse at worst.

The best (and to my mind only satisfying) ending to Jon Snow was death. And yet going into this episode, I knew he would not die. That was clear and therefore, I was totally prepared for an unsatisfying ending to his story. It wasn't too big a pill to swallow for me.

Duty is the death of love. Jon ended up on the opposing side from both women he ever loved, stabbing one in the heart for the greater good. Returning to a place of duty seemed fitting to me.

Sure. I can appreciate that take. Seems fair. Put I would say, only up to a point. He can (and it makes sense that he does) return to a place of duty. But he can die and still have that be true. His exile feel hollow to me, regardless of your point.

Maybe his exile is actually purgatory

washing machine wrote:Did anyone else immediately think of Tetra from Wind Waker during the shots of Arya sailing west?

McParadigm wrote:What is the wall/Night’s Watch protecting them from now?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

washing machine wrote:Did anyone else immediately think of Tetra from Wind Waker during the shots of Arya sailing west?

Yes!

Spoiler: show

I know, I know...”D&D already did plenty of legacy tarnishing” etc

Chris_H_2 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:What is the wall/Night’s Watch protecting them from now?

i asked this a long time ago. careful -- the natives here will get angry at you posing otherwise legitimate questions.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:What is the wall/Night’s Watch protecting them from now?

i asked this a long time ago. careful -- the natives here will get angry at you posing otherwise legitimate questions.

Mecca wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:What is the wall/Night’s Watch protecting them from now?

i asked this a long time ago. careful -- the natives here will get angry at you posing otherwise legitimate questions.

I don’t think wildlings will just go back to completely civil people

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The show is pretty clear that love is a weakness. So, sending Jon to "the only place he had found love" is a bit of a mixed message at best, and a curse at worst.

The best (and to my mind only satisfying) ending to Jon Snow was death. And yet going into this episode, I knew he would not die. That was clear and therefore, I was totally prepared for an unsatisfying ending to his story. It wasn't too big a pill to swallow for me.

Duty is the death of love. Jon ended up on the opposing side from both women he ever loved, stabbing one in the heart for the greater good. Returning to a place of duty seemed fitting to me.

Sure. I can appreciate that take. Seems fair. Put I would say, only up to a point. He can (and it makes sense that he does) return to a place of duty. But he can die and still have that be true. His exile feel hollow to me, regardless of your point.

Maybe his exile is actually purgatory

i see what you did there

Bi_3 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The show is pretty clear that love is a weakness. So, sending Jon to "the only place he had found love" is a bit of a mixed message at best, and a curse at worst.

The best (and to my mind only satisfying) ending to Jon Snow was death. And yet going into this episode, I knew he would not die. That was clear and therefore, I was totally prepared for an unsatisfying ending to his story. It wasn't too big a pill to swallow for me.

Duty is the death of love. Jon ended up on the opposing side from both women he ever loved, stabbing one in the heart for the greater good. Returning to a place of duty seemed fitting to me.

Sure. I can appreciate that take. Seems fair. Put I would say, only up to a point. He can (and it makes sense that he does) return to a place of duty. But he can die and still have that be true. His exile feel hollow to me, regardless of your point.

Maybe his exile is actually purgatory

i see what you did there

Can you explain? I'm lost.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

Mecca wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Mecca wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

bada wrote:Didn't Jon end up right where he would have wanted anyway? If he could have chosen? Doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

He ended up where he had been happiest, the only place he had found love, so yeah I don't see it as too bad. It's a wonderful parallel with Ned's original choice as well.

I didn't mind any of that. Just the way that council glossed over the fact that he is the true heir... I think he should have been presented with the option of king then turn it down and go north. It was close, but I felt like after all the work he did that they just left him out to dry and moved on without him.

The conclusion of that council was that merit is a better form of choosing a ruler than bloodlines

And that is one of the things that felt so wrong about that scene. Everyone there is there because of bloodlines, likely with a lot of unhappy peasants back home, they are just going to flip to some kind of electoral system just like that and not think that they are going to get the same treatment applied to them and their families? At least Sam should remember what democracy lead to at the Wall when Jon got elected.

It would’ve been less believable if they went from monarchy directly to democracy

Correct.